Brekirsop Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 What is this ?? Was a complete attached rock now its a 2 fossiles.is it real ? What do I do with it ?? Can anyone give me a starting point?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHyatt Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Looks too good to be true. I vote fake. Did you find this or buy it. Looks like somebody did some prep work on it. If you found it, where was it found. If you bought it, what info came with it? Info: Craig Hyatt, retired software/electrical engineer Experience: Beginner, fossil hunting less than a year Location: Eagle Pass, TX USA on the border with Mexico, hot dry desert Formation: Escondido, Marine, Upper Cretaceous Materials: Sandstone, Mudstone, Shale, Chert, Chalk Typical: Thalassinoides, Sphenodiscus, Exogyra, Inoceramus Reference: http://txfossils.com/Txfossils.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDudeCO Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Any further details you provide could help with an identification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 It's Fakeichthys malefactus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 This is a real fossil fish concretion (slightly enhanced). It comes from the Araripe Basin, Santana Formation in Brazil - age is early Cretaceous. The enhancement is where they gently "carved" the outline around the fins/body of the fish. I'm not sure on the species of this - could be a Brannerion sp., or Tharrias araripe. You could look through this PDF for further ideas. Regards, 5 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHyatt Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 This is a real fossil fish concretion (slightly enhanced). It comes from the Araripe Basi, Santana Formation in Brazil - age is early Cretaceous. The enhancement is where they gently "carved" the outline around the fins/body of the fish. I'm not sure on the species of this - could be a Brannerion sp., or Tharrias araripe. You could look through this PDF for further ideas. Regards, Dang! How did you know all that stuff about Brazil, etc.? Info: Craig Hyatt, retired software/electrical engineer Experience: Beginner, fossil hunting less than a year Location: Eagle Pass, TX USA on the border with Mexico, hot dry desert Formation: Escondido, Marine, Upper Cretaceous Materials: Sandstone, Mudstone, Shale, Chert, Chalk Typical: Thalassinoides, Sphenodiscus, Exogyra, Inoceramus Reference: http://txfossils.com/Txfossils.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Looks too good to be true. I vote fake. Did you find this or buy it. Looks like somebody did some prep work on it. If you found it, where was it found. If you bought it, what info came with it? It's Fakeichthys malefactus. Easy on the 'trigger', guys; we're tryin' to catch some fish, here. 1 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Dang! How did you know all that stuff about Brazil, etc.? Years of google..... EDIT: Actually, the more I look at that tail, (the positions of the caudal fin rays,and raylets ) the more I'm thinking it may be Araripelepidotes temnurus. 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) But Fakeichthys is a valid species Craig,just Google John Maisey ,Cretaceous,Brazil yoú'll see. Among my posts of late,there is Wilby/Martill,BTW. Edited July 1, 2016 by doushantuo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHyatt Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Not to be contrary, but I *still* think it looks fake. First, there's the perfect prep work, then the perfect color and detail, and lastly, how do you split a fish in half and get fins and scales on both halves? Where's the skeleton? Info: Craig Hyatt, retired software/electrical engineer Experience: Beginner, fossil hunting less than a year Location: Eagle Pass, TX USA on the border with Mexico, hot dry desert Formation: Escondido, Marine, Upper Cretaceous Materials: Sandstone, Mudstone, Shale, Chert, Chalk Typical: Thalassinoides, Sphenodiscus, Exogyra, Inoceramus Reference: http://txfossils.com/Txfossils.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) Fish Lagerstatte:Madygen,Mazon,Bear Creek,Santana/Crato,Harding Fm, Luoping Fm of China,Monte Bolca, Frauenweiler,Lessini,Montceau,Miguashac,Hamilton,Gogo,Canowindra,Solnhofen,Canjuers,the Cretaceous of Lebanon,that Mexican Cretaceous site i keep forgetting about,Green River,Messel,the Miocene of Slovenia,perhaps Shanwang,parts of the Koryctna Clay,Hasselbach,Upeniece in Lithuania Santana: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256422842_An_updated_review_of_the_fish_faunas_from_the_Crato_and_Santana_formations_in_Brazil_a_close_relationship_to_the_Tethys_fauna Edited July 1, 2016 by doushantuo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Not to be contrary, but I *still* think it looks fake. First, there's the perfect prep work, then the perfect color and detail, and lastly, how do you split a fish in half and get fins and scales on both halves? Where's the skeleton? You are only seeing one side of the fish, a mold and cast. Tony 4 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 The "middle" is destroyed during the formation of the fossil, sometimes leaving the imprints on both sides. Madagascar fish nodules are similar. 4 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brekirsop Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 My mom gave it to me cause I thought it was interesting . always wanted another fish, and can't forget to feed this one. Its about 8.5 inches long . rock looks geoed..ish. But im just as good one guessing at rocks as I am fossiles of fish . so next step is to figure out what fish it is ? And if its real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHyatt Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 My mom gave it to me cause I thought it was interesting . always wanted another fish, and can't forget to feed this one. Its about 8.5 inches long . rock looks geoed..ish. But im just as good one guessing at rocks as I am fossiles of fish . so next step is to figure out what fish it is ? And if its real. Step 1. Ignore everything I said. It's a real fossil fish. :-) Info: Craig Hyatt, retired software/electrical engineer Experience: Beginner, fossil hunting less than a year Location: Eagle Pass, TX USA on the border with Mexico, hot dry desert Formation: Escondido, Marine, Upper Cretaceous Materials: Sandstone, Mudstone, Shale, Chert, Chalk Typical: Thalassinoides, Sphenodiscus, Exogyra, Inoceramus Reference: http://txfossils.com/Txfossils.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brekirsop Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 How do o know if it fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Craig, Tony is correct on this one - Mold and Cast ] It is real, and possibly Araripelepidotes temnurus. These nodules require little in the way of prep, usually. They outline some of these to make them look more complete. The fins are not usually well preserved, or not complete, so they make them look complete. Regards, 3 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) I still have my doubts. Edit,That's funny Tim,i came up with the same species Edited July 1, 2016 by doushantuo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHyatt Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 You live and learn. Thanks guys. :-) Info: Craig Hyatt, retired software/electrical engineer Experience: Beginner, fossil hunting less than a year Location: Eagle Pass, TX USA on the border with Mexico, hot dry desert Formation: Escondido, Marine, Upper Cretaceous Materials: Sandstone, Mudstone, Shale, Chert, Chalk Typical: Thalassinoides, Sphenodiscus, Exogyra, Inoceramus Reference: http://txfossils.com/Txfossils.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 This is a reconstruction of Araripelepidotes temnurus Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 i agree with Tim. the prep is usually rough with these fish from Brazil, and they will often "enhance" the fins (i think it's a off putting look). But to each their own. nice hand me down piece. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brekirsop Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 So do I use it as a conversation piece and make my friends guess what kind of fish and fossile it is... Seeing as how I will now sound intelligent lol. Or is it a unique special little imortilized impression fish ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 It's a conversation piece, all right.Just look at the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 How do o know if it fake Most fish fakes are carved and painted to look like a fish. They have no fine details. If You see one it should be obvious. So do I use it as a conversation piece and make my friends guess what kind of fish and fossile it is... Seeing as how I will now sound intelligent lol. Or is it a unique special little imortilized impression fish ? Enjoy it as a relic of the past, and amaze Your friends at the same time. The Brazilian government does not allow the export of these fossils any more, but they were plentiful many years ago. Tony 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 You are in possession of a unique piece of deep time. To think that that is all that remains of a creature that lived about 100 million years ago... Heck of a wonderful conversation piece. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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