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The possible appearance of a chameleon may be a result of how the broken pieces were arranged. It appears to me that a few pieces are NOT positioned properly based on non matching patterns.

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I too noticed that. But the guy that glued it is a true professional. And so, far be it for me to question his judgement .

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After getting over my initial response to this wonder, I feel oddly quite sure it is natural. I have seen similar superficial spalling patterns on rocks before. Maybe none this ornate and beautiful, but similar enough. Either way, it is truly extraordinary!

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10 minutes ago, Carl said:

I have seen similar superficial spalling patterns on rocks before.

Can You post pictures of these?

Tony

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2 minutes ago, ynot said:

Can You post pictures of these?

Tony

I wish I could but I have none saved. Googling this is tricky but if I find anything I will certainly post it.

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  For me the designs and the lines look too regular .. too specific.  If I was going to make this as an artist I would want to create a slip cast, or a cast that I would push the clay into.  Curious if the material is a ceramic, or porcelain that has been water worn.  Perhaps it might be plaster ?

 

Cheers,

Brett

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It is a bit free-form so maybe a type of slab-work where they work into the surface or press patterns into the material or coil pot ?  These examples are a bit simplistic .. but still.

 

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Yeah, Brett, that is what I was thinking of. Modern art that is stealing motifs from precolumbian art.

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I'm still quite convinced this is not an artifact but a bizarre geological wonder. Still having a heck of a time finding the right image but we addressed similar fracturing a while ago in this discussion:

 

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1 hour ago, Carl said:

I'm still quite convinced this is not an artifact but a bizarre geological wonder. Still having a heck of a time finding the right image but we addressed similar fracturing a while ago in this discussion:

 

 

I agree, Carl; I still stand by my original assessment.  The size of the object, the material it was described as, the 'topography' of the object, and the eroded areas all indicate "geologic wonder" to me.

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JohnJ, Carl - I see where you're coming from if I look at bits of it but what about the consistent spirals that define the main pattern?

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I'm very firmly against this be a creation of nature. It's beyond a doubt man-made (possibly woman made, very possible...).

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On 11/20/2016 at 5:22 PM, PRK said:

Yesterday I sent a request fo more detailed pictures. Surprisingly, today I received some.

The entire specimen is approx 3" long

these pics have better resolution, and the circle shaped detail is approx 3mm

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Tarquin, "spirals" can occur due to variations in the level of erosion.  This object is not flat, and any geologic variations in the deposition are not perfect cylinders.  So, offsets in the patterns deposition could create the appearance of spiral.  We've all seen museum examples of crystals that looked man made and "couldn't possibly be natural". 

 

( :o So, now that @Carl and I are on the end of this 'limb'; it would be a great time for Paul's friend to tell us how he made it.     :P )  

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@JohnJ Perhaps, but that still seems to require a 3D spiral (like rolled up paper) to produce it? And the main spirals here seem to be flat... 

 

Looks like I'm a creationist on this one. :P

 

 

 

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Last week it was shown to a fossil invert specialist at a museum for analysis. He thinks it IS

natural--- "microbial mediated sedimentary structure". Similar to the the cyano-bacterial mats

of mono lake. Of course that is only one opinion.

 Wow! My knee jerk ID was also manmade. I've never before seen a natural structure like this. If this is true                        

                            ??????????PK

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:headscratch:That is a new one on Me!!

I would like to see some more examples of this type of formation. (for comparison.)

 

Tony

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2 hours ago, TqB said:

JohnJ, Carl - I see where you're coming from if I look at bits of it but what about the consistent spirals that define the main pattern?

I can't claim to understand the physics clearly but the signal I'm getting from things I've seen points strongly towards geofact. I realize it sounds crazy. And I am looking for images. But that's all I've got for now.

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There's no way that is natural. Definitely man made.

 

It does look eroded though. I'm thinking this was carved rather than sculpted from something like clay. And then later worn down that gives it the weird look.

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I looked up ""microbial mediated sedimentary structure". and do not see this plate as a representative of what I could find.

The intricate pattern of PRK's piece is far beyond anything shown in the articles that I looked at, and most "microbial mediated sedimentary structure".  that were cited are pre cambrian in age.

 

I stick with this being a man made piece. (pending better evidence to the contrary.)

 

Tony

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John's tag line is making me suspicious...

"The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true."

;-)

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Excellent detective work, Carl!  detective (1).jpg 

Thanks for being so dilligent!

I would never have guessed this. 

Well done, sir. 

Learned something today! 

Regards, 

 

 

EDIT: 

 

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13 minutes ago, Carl said:

FOUND IT! It was in Seilacher's Trace Fossil Analysis:

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OK I can see it being one of those even though there are no complete circles in this sample drawing and no true spirals in the object in question.

Also the third generation "check" marks do not match in appearance

 

kudos on this one Sir!

 

Tony.

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It has the spiral patterns, and the crack patterns, and the ornamentation of the faces of the spirals, but I would have to see a photo of this specimen rather than just a drawing. I think natural forces would be much more systematic and mathematical in its rendering of this sculpture-like object. I'm still convinced that our original specimen is hand carved (or a cast of a hand carving).

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