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A friend from Owego, NY sent me this photo of a specimen he found near his house (not quite sure of the circumstances). When he first described it, it sounded like an ammonite, but after seeing it, I don't know what it is.... some kind of coral, stromatolite, petrified tree, concretion?? I'd appreciate any help you can give. Thanks!589a00cbc8139_iPhone_Offload_19SEP2016118.thumb.JPG.8183c79d84f34668e215429f249f0435.JPG

 

 

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I wonder if it isn't something like the glass sponge,  Uphantaenia chemungensis ??

Strange. 

Maybe some pictures from the sides and back would help to determine what it is.

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Doh! Tarquin beat me to it. :P  

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The location of the find and the geological age, the color and the rock type would be good, but, something could be wrong with the typical radial bands, the spacing between the visible radial rows (the elevated margins of the radial bands) is too irregular for Uphantaenia chemungensis that I've ever seen, the only appropriate species of Dictyospongidae family. I am very doubtful about this specimen. Looks to be a carved artifact, but I could be wrong.

 

Here is for reference J. Hall, J. M. Clarke. 1898. A memoir on the Palaeozoic reticulate sponges constituting the family Dictyospongidae.

 

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I noticed the difference in spacing, but thought it could be an artifact of fossilization, or some different species of glass sponge.

Maybe we can get Dr. Karl Wilson to have a look at this. 

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Thanks for the input! I just asked my friend to send photos of the cross section to see if that helps. Since there is speculation it could be man made, I thought it might be a piece of an old millstone, but I googled millstone photos and didn't see anything with this pattern.

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I have several specimens of the genus Uphantaenia chemungensis in my collection and this specimen appears similar but much larger than any of mine. The specimen you found would be larger by a magnitude of 3, bringing it to over 20 inches (50 cm).

 

I magnified the image and it does not seem to be man made. There are no obvious tool marks and the surface appears to be from a natural break. I agree that it is most likely Uphantaenia sp.

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Nice specimens! Thanks for showing us, Doc! :) 

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Yours are pretty nice Uphantaenia, no doubt, but the specimen in question is different than yours. Just to see them side-by-side.

 

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