Hominid Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) I found these rocks in the Oregon Coast Range (central to north) many years ago and have always wondered whether the interesting image was a pseudofossil or an actual fossil. If it's a pseudofossil, any ideas on how it would form? If it's a fossil, what on earth is it? The image measures about 37 mm at its widest point. I'm afraid that's all I know about it; the plane of view is unknown, although the right side could be tapering down to a stem/pedicel of some sort (or not). Web searches have proven futile. (Although probably wouldn't have if I knew what it was!) Thanks for any insight you can provide! Edited April 10, 2017 by Fossildude19 Added photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 First let me welcome you to the forum! For some reason your images didn't show up. Do you mind posting them again? Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hominid Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the welcome, Lori! It's odd that the photos don't show at your end. They do here, but I'll post them again, and hopefully, they'll be visible to one and all. Thanks for looking, Dave Edited April 10, 2017 by Hominid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Still polar bear eating marshmallows in a snow storm here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Same here...weird! 1 Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMP Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Try going to imgur.com. Click on the green "new post" button at the top, and upload your photos to that. Once you're done then copy the link of your photo uploads and paste the link here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hominid Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 Thanks! Hope this works. If there are no images, here are the links... << http://imgur.com/sTPcMim >> << http://imgur.com/vcKJHVm >> Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Has the look of a septarian concretion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Hmmm... can't access imgur from work. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I agree it might be a concretion, but a weird one. "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I do not see a concretion here. Is the piece flat or mounded? Tony 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 That is really interesting. I have no idea what it is, but definitely intriguing. Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hominid Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 Here's another photo with a close-up lens this time, although it doesn't reveal much more. I don't think it's a concretion; there's essentially no dimensionality to the specimen. It's almost as if it's drawn (but isn't) on a micrometers thick mud-colored surface on shale. Here's a link to Imgur, case it doesn't show up here: << http://imgur.com/a/6FbZP >> Thanks for looking! Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Do you know if this is from a marine deposit? My money is on @abyssunder to figure this one out! 1 Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hominid Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 I suspect so; the Coast Range resulted, in part, from uplift of oceanic rocks during the Miocene. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Cross sectioning rarely shows dimensionality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Well, it is still a mystery to me. It looks like a large foraminifera in cross section, but usually they are tiny. Can't be gastropod because of the chamber-like structure. Maybe mineral stains caused by efflorescence, minerals and salts left on the surface of the block by the evaporating water. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Any chance it may have been in a location where a lichen could have grown on it ? I can picture one etching a pattern like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Of course the shape is different, but it reminds me of the staining found in Mazon Creek concretions that is attributed to jellyfish. Did you split this or was it split when you found it? Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I'm leaning towards some bizarre kind of liesegang pattern...or certainly some inorganic process.but I can't find anything even close. It would be so much easier if it had just been doodled by somebody using another stone but the dark internal 'structure' in the centre of the lighter area rules that out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 The UO ichnofossil specialist said it looks like Paleodictyon: an odd deep sea trace fossil. Paleodictyon petaloideum is similar in appearance with meshes of unequal size and shape. This is a unique and important discovery that UO has expressed an interest in acquiring. Please contact me via PM if you would be interested in making a donation for research. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Good to have an ID. Just for final clarity...So the original raised ridges of the honeycomb structure of paleodictyon have been abraded leaving the broad lighter coloured pattern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 hour ago, westcoast said: Good to have an ID. Just for final clarity...So the original raised ridges of the honeycomb structure of paleodictyon have been abraded leaving the broad lighter coloured pattern? UO: Maybe. Or maybe it was in a more friable matrix than usual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 And thanks to @piranha for facilitating contact. This seems very promising. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hominid Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 Thanks for everybody's comments! Here's a bit more information: I collected the specimen when I was randomly cracking open rocks; you can see the G-pick marks on the right side, so no surface abrasion, evaporation, nor lichen growth. MOTM thought it looked like a large foram in cross-section and that was the first thing I thought of when I saw it, but dismissed the idea because of the usually diminutive size of forams, although now I see there are exceptions to that generalization and that they can reach 20 cm or more. On the other hand, the tapering seen on the right side of the image makes me wonder about the possible presence of a peduncle of some sort, either separated or in another plane, but maybe that's a red herring/my imagination. I like piranha's icnhofossil specialist idea of Paleodictyon petaloideum, although the drawing of it seems less organized to my eye than the voids in the mystery fossil. (You can take that with a grain of salt since I haven't attended a geology class in nearly 40 years, when I minored in the subject.) By the way, when I copied the image onto the Google search box, Google concluded the image was of "jeans." Good for a chuckle, anyway. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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