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Mrs. SA2, @MikeR & I guided a trip for 12 along the lower James River in Virginia this weekend. Started out with very iffy weather Saturday morning with 2 foot swells and white caps from an unfriendly westerly wind. She and I were both quite busy tending our boats even when on the beach so we didn't get many photos. Mike was busy helping the folks with IDs and stratigraphy, so he didn't get many either. There were some taken though.

 

Later in the day we did find a very nice, large Eastover Formation slough (upper Miocene). @Fossil-Hound  Mrs. SA2 said she "had the feeling" as we approached in the boats. Not to disappoint, the slough produced at least 10 Ecphora between the different members of the group, most were whole or almost whole. @Daleksec still has hold of the lucky horseshoe and found about 6 foot of whale jaw. (After initial inspections last night it appears to be 3 foot of both sides of the lower jaw / mandible. Lots of further work is required.) I will post more photos of Saturday in next couple days.

 

Today was much nicer on the river and we hunted a section of beach with the Rushmere Member of the Yorktown Formation (Upper Pliocene) in the bottom 2 - 3 feet of the cliff. It's very shelly and it too produced large #s of Ecphora. @Fossil-Hound, I'm not exaggerating when I say the group got over 20 on the day, cause I found Mrs. SA2 7 by myself, she found a couple, @Daleksec had 4 or 5 and other members of the group had some too.

 

Here is a photo of my 1st of today, lying there waiting to pose with 2 of @aerogrower's custom scale cube. We were testing out the metric one to make sure Ray put some magic in it.

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Here is a photo showing the Rushmere Member exposure at the base of the cliff. We had about 600 yards of exposure today. Paleo pick for scale.

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Here is a photo of my last Ecphora of the day. @Fossil-Hound, calm down. YES, it really is "that big!" @MikeR can vouch for it, he saw it and photographed it, with his brand new metric scale from @aerogrower.  Obviously, I have some prep work ahead of me.

 

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Speaking of the world famous @MikeR, ladies and gentlemen - here he is coming back to the boat with his bucket of trophies after a few hours in the sun! One of the nicest, most knowledgeable guys you would ever want to meet.

 

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I'll post photos of all of Mrs. SA2'S Ecphora from the weekend, @Daleksec's jaw and his gorgeous ~2 inch hastalis with red hues in the next few days. Gorgeous tooth!

 

Cheers, 

SA2

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Nimravis

Great pics- I'm so jealous, I could spend all day collecting shells from that exposure. Thanks for posting.

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sixgill pete

Sounds like a great day Jack.Glad you and the misses along with everyone else had a great time a and some great finds. That is a huge Ecphora, looking forward to see some after prep pics of it. 

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Fossil-Hound

@SailingAlongToo all I can say is wow! :wub: :drool:  :envy: :fistbump: You scored big time! I'm so jealous! That is a hummer of an Ecphora. Such a beautiful shell. The first one you posted looked great but that second one is a monster. Take your time preparing it. Use lots of glue. Really looking forward to seeing it prepared along with those other beautiful gastropods. Excellent finds! :drool::popcorn:

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SailingAlongToo
14 minutes ago, Fossil-Hound said:

@SailingAlongToo all I can say is wow! :wub: :drool:  :envy: :fistbump: You scored big time! I'm so jealous! That is a hummer of an Ecphora. Such a beautiful shell. The first one you posted looked great but that second one is a monster. Take your time preparing it. Use lots of glue. Really looking forward to seeing it prepared along with those other beautiful gastropods. Excellent finds! :drool::popcorn:

 

Thanks @Fossil-Hound, it was definitely a good weekend hunting / collecting. But, then again, any weekend I get to hang out with Mrs. SA2 and be out on the water at the same time, is a great weekend. ;)

 

I'm pretty sure there will be at least one Ecphora in the stuff we collected this weekend worthy of being shipped to Utah. :D 

 

Dr. Ward was with us both days and has graciously offered to prep the monster for Mrs. SA2.

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SailingAlongToo
11 hours ago, Nimravis said:

Great pics- I'm so jealous, I could spend all day collecting shells from that exposure. Thanks for posting.

 

@Nimravis

 

If you ever make it out this way, I easily arrange for you to "spend all day" collecting shells from this exposure. I'm not exaggerating when I say a person could easily collect 100+ different species within a couple of miles of river. This is definitely one of those sites where it's "collecting" instead of "hunting."

 

Cheers,

SA2

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Nimravis

Thanks for the offer and I may take you up on this next year.

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Fossil-Hound
5 hours ago, SailingAlongToo said:

 

Thanks @Fossil-Hound, it was definitely a good weekend hunting / collecting. But, then again, any weekend I get to hang out with Mrs. SA2 and be out on the water at the same time, is a great weekend. ;)

 

I'm pretty sure there will be at least one Ecphora in the stuff we collected this weekend worthy of being shipped to Utah. :D 

 

Dr. Ward was with us both days and has graciously offered to prep the monster for Mrs. SA2.

 

That's so sweet! I wish my dearest loved fossil hunts as much as I do. Dr. Ward is a very kind man. That large beautify is going to take hours to carefully prep but it will be worth it. Send all your beautiful Ecphora my way! :muahaha: I'm sending you some western and New York trilobites as soon as I get to my boxes. Moving into our new home September 6th! Super excited. The wife said I could deck out the office and I plan on setting up a prep station in the garage.

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Coco

Hi,

 

May we have more pics of (species) shells please ? ;)  :popcorn:  :ninja:  :wub:

 

Coco

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SailingAlongToo
7 hours ago, Coco said:

Hi,

 

May we have more pics of (species) shells please ? ;)  :popcorn:  :ninja:  :wub:

 

Coco

 

@Coco

I aim to please and frequently take requests. Here are few of the shells that have been cleaned up so far from the weekend. I'm sure @MikeR will be posting some of his treasures when he gets around to cleaning them up.

 

This is a Busycon sp. that @Daleksec (our buddy's 17 year old son Trevor) found on Sunday during our trip. He took it straight out of the Rushmere Member of the Yorktown, fairly close to where Picture #2 from my original post above was taken. He still has some cleaning and prep work to do but it has survived the handling / cleaning so far......

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Of particular interest to @Fossil-Hound and @sixgill pete will be these photos of Trevor's Ecphora specimens that he has cleaned up. He has more but hasn't gotten to them yet. Like the photos Don posted on Sunday of his Ecphora from the Tar River, these too came straight out of the exposure of the Rushmere Member of the Yorktown Formation around where Picture #2 from above was taken. Note the color variation.

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One of the specimens Trevor collected (or found in a batch of matrix he collected) on Sunday is quite special and rare. Mrs. SA2 used the word "kinky" to describe it. It was identified by Dr. Ward as a (Pecten) rogersi, named by Conrad in the mid-1800s. As Dr. Ward told me last night, Conrad collected and named the type species and then it was ~150 years +/- before another specimen was collected and published. I put the Genus in parentheses because Dr. Ward couldn't remember the actual Genus so he used Pecten as a catchall until he can find Trevor the actual name. Such a nice guy.

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Speaking of Dr. Lauck Ward, here he is Sunday morning relaxing on the beach, waiting to identify the days finds from the group. You would never know his very first fossil hunting / collecting trip on the James River (in the exact same areas we collected this past Saturday and Sunday) was in 1962. I only hope I can get around as well as he does in 25 or so years.

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Deviating a bit from Coco's request above, here is a really nice C. hastalis that Trevor collected near the ferry dock. The James River is known for some beautiful teeth with reddish / orange-ish hues and coloring. Trevor sat down on a log at the end of the day at our last collecting spot and look what he found at his feet.........

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Here is a really nice ray osteoderm that Trevor found on the beach Saturday at a large slough spreading Upper Miocene Eastover Formation along the beach. This is the same place where he found the large pieces of cetacean jaw he is now prepping. He found so many pieces of the jaw in hard matrix (and they were HEAVY), we had to move people around between the 2 boats to be able to carry all the bone home. You can see the bone sticking out of the right side of the concretion in the photo on the right below. He has a lot of prep work ahead of him on these pieces but he's hoping to have it prepped, cleaned and together before he goes back to school. He will be a senior in high school this year. GO TREVOR!!! Bright the future is for this one! (Said in my best Master Yoda voice.) He's looking forward to showing it to @Boesse once it's done and may contact him if he runs into any snags.

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@aerogrower's "magic" photo cubes came in quite handy over the weekend and during the cleaning / prepping.

 

More photos will come in the next few days.


Cheers,

 

SA2, Mrs. SA2 and Daleksec (Trevor)

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Fossil-Hound
23 minutes ago, SailingAlongToo said:

 

@Coco

I aim to please and frequently take requests. Here are few of the shells that have been cleaned up so far from the weekend. I'm sure @MikeR will be posting some of his treasures when he gets around to cleaning them up.

 

This is a Busycon sp. that @Daleksec (our buddy's 17 year old son Trevor) found on Sunday during our trip. He took it straight out of the Rushmere Member of the Yorktown, fairly close to where Picture #2 from my original post above was taken. He still has some cleaning and prep work to do but it has survived the handling / cleaning so far......

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Of particular interest to @Fossil-Hound and @sixgill pete will be these photos of Trevor's Ecphora specimens that he has cleaned up. He has more but hasn't gotten to them yet. Like the photos Don posted on Sunday of his Ecphora from the Tar River, these too came straight out of the exposure of the Rushmere Member of the Yorktown Formation around where Picture #2 from above was taken. Note the color variation.

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One of the specimens Trevor collected (or found in a batch of matrix he collected) on Sunday is quite special and rare. Mrs. SA2 used the word "kinky" to describe it. It was identified by Dr. Ward as a (Pecten) rogersi, named by Conrad in the mid-1800s. As Dr. Ward told me last night, Conrad collected and named the type species and then it was ~150 years +/- before another specimen was collected and published. I put the Genus in parentheses because Dr. Ward couldn't remember the actual Genus so he used Pecten as a catchall until he can find Trevor the actual name. Such a nice guy.

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Speaking of Dr. Lauck Ward, here he is Sunday morning relaxing on the beach, waiting to identify the days finds from the group. You would never know his very first fossil hunting / collecting trip on the James River (in the exact same areas we collected this past Saturday and Sunday) was in 1962. I only hope I can get around as well as he does in 25 or so years.

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Deviating a bit from Coco's request above, here is a really nice C. hastalis that Trevor collected near the ferry dock. The James River is known for some beautiful teeth with reddish / orange-ish hues and coloring. Trevor sat down on a log at the end of the day at our last collecting spot and look what he found at his feet.........

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Here is a really nice ray osteoderm that Trevor found on the beach Saturday at a large slough spreading Upper Miocene Eastover Formation along the beach. This is the same place where he found the large pieces of cetacean jaw he is now prepping. He found so many pieces of the jaw in hard matrix (and they were HEAVY), we had to move people around between the 2 boats to be able to carry all the bone home. You can see the bone sticking out of the right side of the concretion in the photo on the right below. He has a lot of prep work ahead of him on these pieces but he's hoping to have it prepped, cleaned and together before he goes back to school. He will be a senior in high school this year. GO TREVOR!!! Bright the future is for this one! (Said in my best Master Yoda voice.) He's looking forward to showing it to @Boesse once it's done and may contact him if he runs into any snags.

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@aerogrower's "magic" photo cubes came in quite handy over the weekend and during the cleaning / prepping.

 

More photos will come in the next few days.


Cheers,

 

SA2, Mrs. SA2 and Daleksec (Trevor)

Wow those are some incredible finds and beautiful Ecphora. I believe the species is E. quadricostata but I'm not certain. Very large and pristine shells. Congratulations Trevor and Jack!

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Al Dente

Looks like a nice trip. I enjoy collecting the Rushmere Member here in NC.

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Coco

Thanks SA2 for these pics ! Gorgeous ! I don't kinow if we can find some Ecphora in France, but it is a very nice genus ! And good luck for Trevor :ninja:

 

Coco

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MikeR

Hi Jack

 

The kid definitely has the eye.  I found a couple of small Ecphoras (E. quadricostata) at the Rushmere site but nothing like those.   The Busycon is Busycon maximum filosum Conrad, 1862.  Some call it B. filosum however Lyle Campbell made it subspecies of B. maximum which it closely resembles except for the sholder spines and the bulge at the base of the siphonal canal.  I have found it at Lieutenant Run so it's in the area.  I'll post some pictures from Saturday's Miocene sites when I am not working.  

 

Mike

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Boesse

Looking forward to seeing Trevor's progress on that Yorktown bone!

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Shark Tooth Hunter

Jack and Trevor, 

 Had a great time collecting with you guys. Can't wait to come back next summer and do it all again.  :dinothumb:on all the amazing finds. 

 

See you guys soon, 

 

Conor 

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MikeR
16 hours ago, Boesse said:

Looking forward to seeing Trevor's progress on that Yorktown bone!

 

Actually that bone is from the Upper Miocene Claremont Manor Member of the Eastover Formation.  It was found in the fresh fall site that I pictured above.

 

Mike

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Boesse

Well I'm even more excited then, because Eastover marine mammals are extraordinarily rare in comparison.

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SailingAlongToo

Thanks @MikeR for adding additional pictures and info on the stratigraphy. I know @Coco loves the shell photos.

 

Here are a few other photos of our trip this past weekend.

 

Photo on the left is of our dog Coco on the bow of Mrs.SA2's boat on Saturday He's a lab / pointer mix and a rescue and he loves being on the boat, beach and in the water. AND, the best part is he doesn't crunch up Mrs.SA2's Ecphora like our white German Shepard does. Photo on the right is @Daleksec (Trevor on left) and @Shark Tooth Hunter (Conor on right) riding in Mrs.SA2's boat on Saturday between hunting locations.

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I discussed Trevor in my previous post. Now you can meet @Shark Tooth Hunter. Conor is an 18 year old from SE MD who has gone on quite a few fossil hunting trips with us over the last 4 or 5 years. He is always polite, extremely intelligent, knowledgeable about a wide range of things and primarily likes teeth :meg:and bone :bone:, though he did get excited about / collect some nice shells on this trip. Over the last few years he and Trevor have enjoyed hunting / collecting together. This trip on the James River may be his last for a while as he starts his first year at West VA University (WVU) this coming Saturday, Aug. 12, majoring in Environmental Geo-Science (or some such multi-worded title.) :D  Mrs.SA2 and I wish him the best at university and look forward to hearing about his straight A's and ground breaking research projects. He's another one with a very bright future ahead!! It's truly awesome to see young people passionate about the sciences. 

 

Here are a couple of photos of Conor with some of his shell finds from the weekend. He will post some more photos when he gets them cleaned and prepped. The photo on the right is an Ecphora sp. in a concretion from the Sunken Meadow Member of the Yorktown Formation, collected on Saturday. Photo on the left shows him holding 3 gastropods he collected out of the Rushmere Member of the Yorktown Formation on Sunday.

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Cheers,

SA2

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SailingAlongToo

Here are some photos of what we think is cetacean jaw that @Daleksec (Trevor) found on Saturday in a big slough with late Miocene Eastover Formation scattered along the beach. He's been working to clean / prep it since Saturday night.

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Hopefully the pieces fit together and @Boesse can at least ID a family & possibly genus. Looking at condition of some bome pieces though , I'm not optimistic. 

 

Cheers,

SA2

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Boesse

snarge he's doing a hell of a job! I was skeptical until I saw that last image. Reminds me of preservation of fossils in the Gram Fm. of Denmark (slightly older than the Eastover).

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jewelonly

@SailingAlongToo, thank you for such a fabulous report!! Exciting to see such lovely specimens and prep! As a result, I have officially added this to my bucket list for collecting adventures!! :) 

 

Leah

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Plax

that (Pecten) rogersi looks a lot like our Strahlopecten ernestsmithi (probably misspelled) from the Cape Fear region of NC. It shows up in the base of the Waccamaw but probably a Goose Creek mollusk. Perhaps rogersi is a newer name for it or they are similar but not exactly the same.

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Plax

interesting that the big bone was decomposed on the interior and later filled with sediment. If this is a lag situation (do I see phosphatic bits in the matrix?) the bone could possibly be from something terrestrial. More likely cetacean of course. Boesse is the man for ID.

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