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ynot Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Welcome to TFF! It looks fish to Me. But a scale and location information may change that opinion. 2 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I agree with fish from looking at it, but I know nothing (and was not aware of the existence ) Serbian fossils. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Could this be a hake in the genus Merluccius? “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Welcome to the Forum. Definitely a nice piece of fish! Here is what I can make out: Not bad for your first time there! Regards, 3 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: Welcome to the Forum. Definitely a nice piece of fish! Here is what I can make out: Not bad for your first time there! Regards, Thanksssssss!!!!!!!!!! 1 hour ago, ynot said: Welcome to TFF! It looks fish to Me. But a scale and location information may change that opinion. i found it in a marl stone mine in Popovac,Serbia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 1 hour ago, WhodamanHD said: I agree with fish from looking at it, but I know nothing (and was not aware of the existence ) Serbian fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 1 hour ago, WhodamanHD said: Could this be a hake in the genus Merluccius? That's s good question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Research on this topic is scarce, and I'm no paleoicthyologist, best I could dig up online was references to otoliths (ear bones) of various fish (goby, flatfish, drum, etc) no refrences to Merluccius ( the reason I suggested it is - I saw a Russian Miocene example that looked similar). I know some are really good at digging up older papers though. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 The middle row looks like vertebral column with the adjacent spines preserved. It looks like fish material. I agree with the others. Maybe this document consolidates the geological settings of the region. " The Miocene Serbian Lake System (SLS) represents a series of endemic lakes that were located southeast of the Pannonian Basin in the junction area between the Dinarides and South Carpathians. So far, no independent age constraints are known from the Serbian lakes, and estimates for the age of the lacustrine infill range from 17–14 Ma (e.g. Krstic et al., 2012). New age constraints for the SLS could improve this and allow comparison to similar environments such as the Dinaride Lake System. In this study we used magnetostratigraphy and radioisotopic dating to quantify the age of the ~70 m thick, fine-grained lacustrine series in the Popovac basin (Serbia). One sanidine-bearing tuff provided a very reliable total fusion 39Ar/40Ar age of 14.40 ± 0.01 Ma including all errors using the approach of Kuiper et al. (2008). The paleomagnetic results show a normal polarity pattern with a 2 m-thick reversed interval in its lower part. If we take the Ar/Ar into account, the normal polarity can be corre-lated to Chron C5ADn in the Global Polarity Time Scale (Hilgen et al., 2012). The reversed interval is too short to fit and suggests that part of the magnetic carrier is of secondary origin. At least 12 climate-induced obliquity or precession cycles are interpreted based on alternating dark marl/silt with light-colored limestone patterns and geophysical proxies. Our new age suggests that the deepest lake phase in Popovac existed around 14.4 Ma (late Langhian), which coincides with a peak of sub-sidence in the south-eastern Pannonian Basin between 15–14 Ma (e.g. Stojadinovic et al., submitted). This is after the Miocene Climatic Optimum, and ~1 Myr later than deposition in most Dinaride Lakes (De Leeuw, 2011). Moreover, the new age suggests that the ‘Badenian’ marine transgression flooded the area only after 14.4 Ma. " 3 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share Posted August 15, 2017 8 hours ago, abyssunder said: The middle row looks like vertebral column with the adjacent spines preserved. It looks like fish material. I agree with the others. Maybe this document consolidates the geological settings of the region. " The Miocene Serbian Lake System (SLS) represents a series of endemic lakes that were located southeast of the Pannonian Basin in the junction area between the Dinarides and South Carpathians. So far, no independent age constraints are known from the Serbian lakes, and estimates for the age of the lacustrine infill range from 17–14 Ma (e.g. Krstic et al., 2012). New age constraints for the SLS could improve this and allow comparison to similar environments such as the Dinaride Lake System. In this study we used magnetostratigraphy and radioisotopic dating to quantify the age of the ~70 m thick, fine-grained lacustrine series in the Popovac basin (Serbia). One sanidine-bearing tuff provided a very reliable total fusion 39Ar/40Ar age of 14.40 ± 0.01 Ma including all errors using the approach of Kuiper et al. (2008). The paleomagnetic results show a normal polarity pattern with a 2 m-thick reversed interval in its lower part. If we take the Ar/Ar into account, the normal polarity can be corre-lated to Chron C5ADn in the Global Polarity Time Scale (Hilgen et al., 2012). The reversed interval is too short to fit and suggests that part of the magnetic carrier is of secondary origin. At least 12 climate-induced obliquity or precession cycles are interpreted based on alternating dark marl/silt with light-colored limestone patterns and geophysical proxies. Our new age suggests that the deepest lake phase in Popovac existed around 14.4 Ma (late Langhian), which coincides with a peak of sub-sidence in the south-eastern Pannonian Basin between 15–14 Ma (e.g. Stojadinovic et al., submitted). This is after the Miocene Climatic Optimum, and ~1 Myr later than deposition in most Dinaride Lakes (De Leeuw, 2011). Moreover, the new age suggests that the ‘Badenian’ marine transgression flooded the area only after 14.4 Ma. " Amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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