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Miocene Whale Recovered From & for Display at VA State Park

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FossilDAWG

Thanks for showing us this grand adventure. :dinothumb:

 

Don

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jpc

Great report.  I have collected w the marco family and they are indeed good folks.  (And have a great collection of old dead things).  But I have never seen burlap put on without plaster, then plaster applied. 

Also fun to see wet condition collecting and to watch the tide coming up during the process.   

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Fossildude19

Is this related to the video posted last week?

 

 

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SailingAlongToo
15 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said:

Is this related to the video posted last week?

 

 

No. That was at Calvert Cliffs, MD. This was on Potomac River in VA.

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jpc

Looks like two whale skulls were collected in the mid Atlantic states last week.  How cool is that? 

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Ludwigia

Fantastic report, Trevor! I enjoyed every minute of it.

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MarcoSr

Jack

 

Great post and report!  I look forward to the final edited video.

 

 

Jack and Theresa         Orlin,Trevor, Chip and Zsolt     WSP rangers and staff

 

Thank you for all of the help.  You can't get out a whale skull of that size without a lot of help.  It was a great feeling for all of us, especially Mel and Marco Jr., to see the skull secured to the WSP trailer.

 

Marco Sr.

 

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Coco

Hi,

 

Great story !

 

Coco

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SailingAlongToo
2 hours ago, Ludwigia said:

Fantastic report, Trevor! I enjoyed every minute of it.

Thanks. FYI - Trevor is Dalesek on TFF, our buddy's 18 y/o son. I'm Jack. Though, Trevor is normally with us on most of our fossil hunting adventures. In fact, he's with Mrs.SA2 & me so much most people think he's our kid. ;-)

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Ludwigia
33 minutes ago, SailingAlongToo said:

Thanks. FYI - Trevor is Dalesek on TFF, our buddy's 18 y/o son. I'm Jack. Though, Trevor is normally with us on most of our fossil hunting adventures. In fact, he's with Mrs.SA2 & me so much most people think he's our kid. ;-)

oops! :blush: Sorry! I guess I got a bit mixed up with all those names and numbers :P

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SailingAlongToo
Just now, Ludwigia said:

oops! :blush: Sorry! I guess I got a bit mixed up with all those names and numbers :P

It's all Good!

Trevor is quite a wonderful young man with a bright future ahead of him. He wants to study geology / paleontology when he graduates high school in June. Mrs.SA2 & I are doing everything possible to make sure he has as many fossil hunting experiences as possible to help him with that goal.

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Ludwigia
1 minute ago, SailingAlongToo said:

It's all Good!

Trevor is quite a wonderful young man with a bright future ahead of him. He wants to study geology / paleontology when he graduates high school in June. Mrs.SA2 & I are doing everything possible to make sure he has as many fossil hunting experiences as possible to help him with that goal.

I'm always pleased to hear when young people are seriously interested in the subject. Good that he's got your support.

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fossilized6s

Great stuff! Kudos to everyone involved! Can't wait to see her prepped. Thanks for sharing this adventure. 

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Macrophyseter

Great stuff! Good luck on the rest of the job! :hammer01:

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jcbshark

great story and work on all of your parts, congrats and thanks for sharing:fistbump:

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RCW3D

Awesome report Jack! As much fun as I had downriver with my family, I would have loved to have present for this. It annoys me to no end that the poachers were unable to be caught in time though, people are brazen along this stretch and it is going to take a lot of trespassing convictions to get them to stop.

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MarcoSr
17 minutes ago, RCW3D said:

Awesome report Jack! As much fun as I had downriver with my family, I would have loved to have present for this. It annoys me to no end that the poachers were unable to be caught in time though, people are brazen along this stretch and it is going to take a lot of trespassing convictions to get them to stop.

 

Trespassing is a very sore subject for me for many reasons but especially when I see constantly museum quality specimens hacked to bits by poachers/trespassers only interested in ear bones or teeth.  I've seen at least a half dozen, museum worthy, marine mammal specimens destroyed at Stratford Hall by trespassers just over the last two years alone.

 

This whale excavation was made much more difficult by trespassers.  A trespasser actually started the excavation of this specimen by poaching exposed vertebrae.  They dug a very long shallow, flat hole (instead of a stronger arch shaped hole) which caused the cliff to crack around the hole which made it very dangerous to work on the specimens initially. My sons had to put a temporary jacket on what was exposed to protect it and wait for the cliff to come down. Six months later there was a pretty big slide of the material which was above the specimen.  After that my sons could excavate the specimen further.  In addition, on two separate occasions poachers broke open the jackets that my sons had placed upon the fossils to steal bones. They broke off the end and took a piece of a perfect lower whale jaw that was jacketed.  As Jack described above, Theresa caught poachers breaking up a jacket of vertebrae and ribs and throwing the items on the beach so they could take them.

 

Westmoreland State Park issued twice as many tickets this year as last for people collecting under their cliffs.  My sons and I are on a Virginia Park and Recs permit that permits us to collect in the WSP cliff area.  That permit is why we could remove this whale skull for the park legally.  These permits rarely get issued unless the permit holders are associated with a museum or agency like the USGS.

 

Sratford Hall has had a number of trespassers arrested over the last two years.  I know of at least one conviction and several other cases coming to trial soon.

 

There is much less tolerance in the area now for anyone trespassing.  Instead of just warnings, which weren't deterring anyone, more and more trespassers have been given tickets or arrested.  It won't work as an excuse any more, if when caught, you claim "you didn't know you were trespassing", or "it was your first time" or "you didn't see the signs".  People claiming "they know their rights and that they can be walking in the water because it belongs to Maryland" and argue about leaving don't know Virginia law (Virginia land owners own to the mean low tide not like in Maryland where the landowners only own to the mean high tide.  Huge difference.) which applies along the Potomac River.  Also the bays and stream mouths on the Virginia side of the Potomac can completely be in Virginia and under Virginia maritime police jurisdiction.   We are no longer arguing with these people.  They are just being arrested.

 

So to the trespassers, eventually you will be caught and arrested.  In addition you are causing land owners to press for laws preventing all fossil collecting along the Potomac River unless you have a permit.  When that eventually happens and it will, you can blame all these folks who think that the laws don't apply to them.

 

Marco Sr.

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hokiehunter

Glad to hear the powers that be are getting serious on trespass around there.  I am aware of several folks that at least up until recently had the attitude of "all they are going to do is warn me" when caught and would boast about it so hopefully this nails them and pushes them out of the hobby.  btw... I'll also throw out there that I know of at least 2 well known collectors both active in the internet realm that are guilty of this but will tell you another thing so hopefully they get the point as well if they are reading.  

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SailingAlongToo
1 hour ago, hokiehunter said:

Glad to hear the powers that be are getting serious on trespass around there.  I am aware of several folks that at least up until recently had the attitude of "all they are going to do is warn me" when caught and would boast about it so hopefully this nails them and pushes them out of the hobby.  btw... I'll also throw out there that I know of at least 2 well known collectors both active in the internet realm that are guilty of this but will tell you another thing so hopefully they get the point as well if they are reading.  

 

Perhaps you should let @MarcoSr know who those 2 "well known" collectors are.................

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sgreen063

Great job guys! Well said Marco Sr.

Can't way to see it on display.

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non-remanié

Amazing job!!  Its hard to believe that collectors would purposefully destroy plastered specimens in the field for a couple fragmented bones.  But I guess that's just the logical progression of a widespread selfish treasure hunter collecting mentality.   I can only imagine how many similar marine mammal skeletons you guys must have saved in the Stratford Harbor / Nomini cliffs area over the years!

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MarcoSr
On 11/30/2017 at 9:27 PM, non-remanié said:

Amazing job!!  Its hard to believe that collectors would purposefully destroy plastered specimens in the field for a couple fragmented bones.  But I guess that's just the logical progression of a widespread selfish treasure hunter collecting mentality.   I can only imagine how many similar marine mammal skeletons you guys must have saved in the Stratford Harbor / Nomini cliffs area over the years!

 

Steve

 

Thank you.  Can you believe a habitual  trespasser to this area attacked me and Marco Jr. on Facebook because we were both upset about the jackets getting broken open multiple times by poachers/trespassers?  Valuable specimens were damaged and stolen.  My sons had to redo these jackets with hours of their time and foot the costs for the materials.  He then threatened Marco Jr.  I guess he latter realized that saying what he did on Facebook in writing wasn’t very smart and deleted all of his posts.  People like this guy are why the landowners are no longer cutting trespassers any slack in the area.

 

Marco Sr.

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