Is this a theropod caudal vertebrae

[Welsh Wizard]

Hi 

 

Im prepping out this dinosaur vertebrae and I'm hoping someone can help with ID.

 

Its from the Lower Createous.

 

The bone preservation is very good and it's a nice black colour. You can see what I think are two pleurocoels showing. I think it's a theropod caudal but I'm just guessing.

 

The other side and ends are still covered in matrix but I'll post additional photos when I've prepped more.

 

Any help on the type of dinosaur and any specifics would be greatly appreciated 

 

Thanks

 

Nick

 

 

[Troodon]

Not sure I can help but it starts with better pictures.   Need them of all sides straight in shots no obtuse angles, thanks.  How about a locality where it was found?

[Welsh Wizard]

Here you go.

 

This a picture side on. There's nothing to see from the other angles yet but I'll post when prepped. It's about 4 inches long.

 

I'm interested in whether the pleurocoels (the bits that look like eyes), allow a more specific identification. I've not fully prepped out the depressions and I've had a good look for similar pictures but I haven't found anything yet.

 

It looks like a neovenator vertebrae I've got but that doesn't have the depressions.

 

[Troodon]

where was this found ?

[Spinosaurus]

looks like theropod

[paulgdls]

Neil

 

That looks like a Neovenator dorsal, which has pleurocoels or possibly caudal 1 or 2.

 

Paul

 

 

[Welsh Wizard]

Thanks Paul

 

Is it only certain caudals that have the pleurocoels?

 

Heres another without any:

 

 

Cheers

 

Nick

[Haravex]

Can you tell us the location of its origin please as without this it will be very hard to identify.

[Welsh Wizard]

Hi

 

The location is UK, Lower Cretaceous. I can't say any more than that. I'm sure you'll understand.

 

Thanks

 

Nick

[Tidgy's Dad]

Crikey, they're wonderful! 

How many of the verts do you have?

Other bones?

Isle of Wight? 

[JohnBrewer]

I totally understand why Nick can’t be specific with location. 

 

http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/oldest-jurassic-dinosaur-is-named-dragon-thief-after-discovery-in-wales/

[Troodon]

To me your vert looks like a dorsal here are photos of two dorsal and one anterior caudal if a Neovenator.  Your other smaller  vert I also believe is a dorsal. 

[JohnBrewer]

Nice find Nick 

[Welsh Wizard]

Thanks everyone for the help.

 

I didn't find these but I wish I had. 

 

Interestingly it has two pleurocoels rather than one. I'll post some more pics when I've prepped out the vert fully.

 

Nick

[Troodon]

If you can get a copy of this monograph might help you.  Hard to ID based on a Centrum.  The dual pleurocoels might just be positional.

 

 

Brusatte, S.L., Benson, R.B.J. & Hutt, S. 2008. The osteology of Neovenator salerii (Dinosauria: Theropoda) from the Wealden Group (Barremian) of the Isle of Wight Monograph of the Palaeontographical Society London: pp. 1-75, pls 1-45 (Issue 631, part of Volume 162

 

[Welsh Wizard]

Thanks Troodon. 

 

I'll get a copy in the new year as I have a couple of other bones that need prepping and id-ing

 

Nick