fifbrindacier Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Hi, i wish a good day for all of you. I've visited another new place where i could find miocene plant material in a ligniteous clay.It had rain for days there and the place is covered by vegetation, so i only looked on the border of a road and i found those two items. First photos are taken in daylight, others under a magnifying glass and artificial light. The scale is in centimeters. 1) "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 2) "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 2) "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marguy Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 looks like breccia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Brecciated plant material that is. Is it soft enough to be lignite ? It looks right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Hi, thank you for your answers. I agree it is brecciated. All the surroundings of that place are composed of ligniteous clay. Here is an abstract from the file of the geology and mining research bureau : "les argiles ligniteuses affleurant sur le territoire de la commune de Saint-Jammes, au Sud immédiat de la feuille Lembeye (1/50 000 Morlaàs), se sont révélées très fossilifères." "the ligniteous clays showing on the territory of the municipality of Saint-Jammes, in the immediate South of the Lembeye sheet (1/50 000 Morlaàs), turned out to be very fossiliferous." The composition of the clays and their palynological study shows a composition very similar with the ones of an abandoned lignite mine in a neighbour department. That old mine showed about 150 different species of plants. So i hope to find some good pieces one day, in Saint-Jammes or in that old mine (but it's farer). 2 "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 One part Elmer's one part water. Stabilize them before they dry out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Sorry, @Rockwood, what's Elmer, do you mean the tree (Elm) ? What can i do to stabilize them, must i moisture them ? "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I was afraid it might not be international enough. Here's what Wiki calls it. a popular PVA-based synthetic glue Commonly called white glue. Kid stuff. Soak the finds in, or brush on, the mixture and they will harden as they dry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 I've not found a PVA glue, but a glue for children which composition is : 1,2-benizisothiazol-3(2H)-one, 5 chloro-2-methyl-2H-isothiazol-3-one and 2-methyl-2H-isotiazol-3-one. It's a varnish-glue for the paper that can be glued on most of the materials or to rigidified tissues and sand. There are images that shows you can stick paper on a terra cotta pot. It is said it is resistant to moisture and to washing. Do you think it would be a good glue for this (i have very little chemical knowledge) ? "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 hours ago, fifbrindacier said: Do you think it would be a good glue for this (i have very little chemical knowledge) ? I would think solubility, or some suitable equivalent, in water would be important. Other than that I can only hope someone who knows will chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 @Ptychodus04 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 And if i used a basic varnish ? "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, fifbrindacier said: And if i used a basic varnish ? Should never use varnish, it yellows over time. Elmer's glue = water soluble white glue. 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 You want to slowly dry them and then stabilize with Paraloid. Don’t use white glue unless they can’t handle a controlled dry as once set it is irreversible. To control the drying rate, wrap your wet pieces in a damp towel (or damp newspaper). Then, wrap this in a dry towel. Repeat for all your pieces. Now place your pieces in a box with a lid and close them up for a couple weeks. After this process, you should have dry unstable pieces that you can coat with Paraloid dissolved in acetone (1:50 ratio). This is permanently reversible if needed and will not deteriorate as other glues will. 2 Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 12/02/2018 at 5:56 PM, fifbrindacier said: what's Elmer Elmer Fudd (wabbit hunter) Elmer (Elmo’s cousin) Sesame Street 1 John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 11 hours ago, JohnBrewer said: Elmer Fudd (wabbit hunter) Elmer (Elmo’s cousin) Sesame Street You all make me laugh so hard ! I thought it was a chunk o weed that was found . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Malone said: You all make me laugh so hard ! I thought it was a chunk o weed that was found . We just want her to be ready when she finds something that will put this to shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Rockwood said: We just want her to be ready when she finds something that will put this to shame. Actual tears from laughing so hard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, Malone said: Actual tears from laughing so hard! Could you show that from different angles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, Malone said: 16 minutes ago, Malone said: Actual tears from laughing so hard! Could you show that from different angles? Sure, but I have to get back to work right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Rockwood said: Sure, but I have to get back to work right now. Have a good day. thanks,you already made mine better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Malone said: 6 hours ago, Malone said: Actual tears from laughing so hard! Could you show that from different angles? Here are a few pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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