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New York Catskills Trip

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Pagurus

My wife and I are on a short trip through south eastern New York State, in the Catskill Mountain region. We had a more adventurous trip in mind but after some recent car trouble we didn't feel quite as adventurous as we did a week ago. We stopped today at a site on Schoharie Creek, a bit south of Gilboa. The heat and humidity kept us from spending more than a half hour at the site today, but we plan on going back tomorrow morning when it will be somewhat cooler. The river tumbled stones were mostly eroded, and I didn't bring my hammer down to the beach crowded with swimmers, but we did make one find worthy of bringing back to the motel. 

 

Leila usually makes the best finds when we're just scanning the ground, and she came up with this worn but still attractive horn coral. I love the way it's still attached to the matrix. It almost looks like it's been prepped:

 

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The same rock also shows off some nice specimens of what appear to be tube worms.

 

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Despite the heat we're enjoying our trip so far, and we're very happy with our motel except for one disturbing problem. Clinging to the door inside our lovely room is a five-foot-long mirror, and I am periodically startled by the strange old man peering at me. What's he doing in my room?!

 

Mike

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Fossildude19

Nice coral, Mike. 

Hope you find some more good stuff. 

:) 

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Trevor

Nice finds! And in the Catskills too, what a beautiful place.

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Jeffrey P

Are you sure that was found south of Gilboa? I believe the bedrock in that area is non-marine. Could be float material. That area experienced glacial activity and there's always human transport. South of Gilboa I would have my eyes looking for plants.

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Darktooth

@Pagurus that's a neat find Mike. Sorry to hear about the car trouble shortening your trip. I was in the Catskills on Saturday, doing some fly fishing. I didn't have much luck. Only caught a creek chub. But the area was absolutely beautiful. I did have a brown trout on my line for a few seconds, then it shook free.

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ynot

:faint::drool::thumbsu:

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FranzBernhard

What a nice landscape, such beautyfull creeks, perfect wheater and even some fossils! Everything you want. Thanks for sharing!

Franz Bernhard

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Scylla

I can confirm that as a Triarthrus cephalon. I have collected them from the Utica Shale in that area. I think the graptolites are Geniculograptus (formerly Climacograptus). The triangular thingies could be small cephalopods but I can't see them well enough in the pics. Keep it coming...

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Pagurus

"Congrats on finding this unusual and incredibly rare Ordovician sponge: Polyplectella mira"

Wow!  Thank you for that ID. I never would have figured that out. If it's scientifically important, or at least helpful to a researcher, I would be pleased to donate to a museum if it's a fit with their research and collections. I'm not sure how to go about finding an interested researcher. Any suggestions from anyone?

One problem with this specimen would be the inexact location in which it was found. I only have a general idea where I found it, probably only within fifty yards, and it was just a loose cobble in a creek bed. Whether or not it's useful to a researcher, it still seems to be a rather rare specimen. I'm excited.

 

(Would it be helpful for me to repost this in the ID section of TFF?)

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piranha
29 minutes ago, Pagurus said:

Wow!  Thank you for that ID. I never would have figured that out. If it's scientifically important, or at least helpful to a researcher, I would be pleased to donate to a museum if it's a fit with their research and collections. I'm not sure how to go about finding an interested researcher. Any suggestions from anyone?

One problem with this specimen would be the inexact location in which it was found. I only have a general idea where I found it, probably only within fifty yards, and it was just a loose cobble in a creek bed. Whether or not it's useful to a researcher, it still seems to be a rather rare specimen. I'm excited.

 

 

NYSM has the type material described by Ruedemann.  I would suggest contacting them to place it with the other specimens. 

The specimen you found is spectacular by comparison! :fistbump:  

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FossilDAWG

With all due respect, I'd like to suggest an alternative ID.  I think this fossil is a colony of Sphenothallus attached to an orthoconic nautiloid.  The nautiloid is broken open at the apical end and flattened towards the proximal (upper right) end.  

 

Below is a photo of a Sphenothallus colony, posted some time ago on the Forum by @fossilcrazy.  The thread can be found here.

 

Don

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piranha

I must have been mesmerized when I saw the drawing from Ruedemann :o  The description also seemed like such a good match ...but too good to be true!  lol mail?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmail.yimg.com%2Fok%2Fu%2Fassets%2Fimg%2Femoticons%2Femo76.gif&t=1536439996&ymreqid=2b37d289-e028-403a-1cf9-e30002018700&sig=_VhEzO8oQjXG5FRrHnH9Iw--~C:P

 

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Pagurus

 

Thank you for your input, Don @FossilDAWG. A Sphenothallus colony attached to a nautiloid looks like a good possibility too. It's ironic that I even found a few Sphenothallus specimens at Little Falls a few years ago (as shown in the TFF thread you linked to). I'm still not sure though, if these are the same. The midlines look different to me, but that might just be the preservation. I'm including a few more photos. Maybe it will help. What do you think, @piranha ?

 

 

 

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Pagurus
3 minutes ago, piranha said:

I must have been mesmerized when I saw the drawing from Ruedemann :o  The description also seemed like such a good match ...but too good to be true!  lol mail?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmail.yimg.com%2Fok%2Fu%2Fassets%2Fimg%2Femoticons%2Femo76.gif&t=1536439996&ymreqid=2b37d289-e028-403a-1cf9-e30002018700&sig=_VhEzO8oQjXG5FRrHnH9Iw--~C:P

 

 

Well, it looks like it's more or less settled that it's a Sphenothallus colony , huh? Still pretty cool.

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fossilcrazy

See the little ovals, they are definitely Sphenothallus holdfasts. It is very neat seeing them on a Cephalopod host.

 

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Pagurus
2 hours ago, fossilcrazy said:

See the little ovals, they are definitely Sphenothallus holdfasts. It is very neat seeing them on a Cephalopod host.

 

Now it all makes sense, even to me. The bulb is finally lit. All the pieces fit. Thank you all!!  Sure, I was getting excited about finding a fossil worthy of a museum, and that was really fun for awhile, but this is terrific too. It's a wonderful slice of life from 450 million years ago.  Thanks for the lessons. :dinothumb:

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Darktooth

I am truly glad you and your wife had such a great trip. Beautiful surrounding, interesting finds, and great company. It doesn't get any better than that.:)

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Fossildude19

Great report, Mike. 
Glad you were able to get out there. :) 

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FossilDAWG

I wouldn't be at all disappointed with the Sphenothallus ID.  Yours is the best specimen I've seen, and the attachment to  nautiloid tells a story one rarely glimpses with these fossils.

 

Thanks for your travelogue as well.  The Catskills are beautiful and it's great to be reminded of that.

 

Don

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KimTexan

I was getting ready to comment on why I don’t believe it is the proposed sponge, but thought I probably need to finish reading the post before I comment. I’m glad I finished reading. I certainly didn’t have the insight @FossilDAWG did.

Very cool find!

 

thoroughly enjoyed your trip report! The scenery was beautiful.

Relaxed pace trips to peaceful, beautiful green setting are my favorite types of trips.

I liked the little chipmunk. We don’t have those down here.

 

I love to hunt in creeks. The creeks in my immediate area of Texas are not usually so green and they’re more often muddy, silt filled with fewer rocks.

 

I like your writing style and your presentation of the sites and your finds. It was enjoyable and relaxing to read. Thanks for sharing it with us.

 

Kim

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jdp
21 hours ago, FossilDAWG said:

With all due respect, I'd like to suggest an alternative ID.  I think this fossil is a colony of Sphenothallus attached to an orthoconic nautiloid.  The nautiloid is broken open at the apical end and flattened towards the proximal (upper right) end.  

 

Below is a photo of a Sphenothallus colony, posted some time ago on the Forum by @fossilcrazy.  The thread can be found here.

 

Don

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That was my thought. We used to find these on cephalopods all the time in the Bear Gulch LS.

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Scylla

What a difference better pictures make! :dinothumb: just for fun, this was taken Wednesday from near Rome, NY

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