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I have got a very interesting Enneles eating a Vinctifer. I am not completely pleased with the photos, but I think they show the specimen clear enough.

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Very nice fossil.

Rather than Enneles eating a Vinctifer... an event prior to death ie anoxic environment ... a reflex to get more water into the gills to extract more dissolve oxygen from the water caused the openning to the mouths.... ( analogous to a bucket of perch when oxygen is deleted... die with their mouths open) the Vinctifer landed in the sea bottom muck first followed by the larger Enneles ... and there they preserved as a pair into rock.... giving this illusion.... just speculation on my part...

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Very nice fossil.

Rather than Enneles eating a Vinctifer... an event prior to death ie anoxic environment ... a reflex to get more water into the gills to extract more dissolve oxygen from the water caused the openning to the mouths.... ( analogous to a bucket of perch when oxygen is deleted... die with their mouths open) the Vinctifer landed in the sea bottom muck first followed by the larger Enneles ... and there they preserved as a pair into rock.... giving this illusion.... just speculation on my part...

Pleecan - I disagree. The odds of that happening and the fish landing in that position are astronomical. Fossils of fish that got too greedy and choked to death really aren't all that uncommon. A more likely scenario than 2 fish dying at different times and falling just perfectly then fossilizing.

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Pleecan - I disagree. The odds of that happening and the fish landing in that position are astronomical. Fossils of fish that got too greedy and choked to death really aren't all that uncommon. A more likely scenario than 2 fish dying at different times and falling just perfectly then fossilizing.

I concur with X-man.

-PzF

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It's really not so uncommon to find one fish eating another. So far, I've found three or four examples. Fish are greedy and choke to death quite often. I have a small Leptolepides from Solnhofen (somewhere in my drawers) trying to swallow a belemnite nearly double the size.

They are as greedy as I am.

Thomas

Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC).

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Fossil fish form China.... one of favorites... bought this from Ebay many yrs ago .. have lost the little piece of paper that came with the fossil:

Re-imaged with better equipment...

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It's really not so uncommon to find one fish eating another. So far, I've found three or four examples. Fish are greedy and choke to death quite often. I have a small Leptolepides from Solnhofen (somewhere in my drawers) trying to swallow a belemnite nearly double the size.

They are as greedy as I am.

Thomas

Hi Thomas,

I'm interested in predators on cephalopods and especially belemnites, I'd really love to see that!

Tarquin

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Just found this specimen packed away in storage for who knows how long. It's not the most spectacular thing but it's kind of neat.

post-2629-011334000 1291938168_thumb.jpg Mallotus villosus. From the Pleistocene Champlain Sea deposited at Green Creek, Orleans, Ontario.

it seems that everyone has one of these but me, and im a short bikeride away :P

i really need to get out there soon.......there preserved so nicely....amazing fish everyone! :)

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The Ordovician enthusiast.

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I just wish someone knew what these teeth belonged to:

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I sent pics to a fish expert named Bemis but he never responded. The age is 102-103 mya.

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Also Roz found this cool little fish (?) jaw, no ID either.

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The age is 102-103 mya.

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Heres A nice fish i found of an unidentified possible new species of OSTRACIIDAE Lactoria(Boxfish)

From Miocene rocks here in New Zealand amazing detail in its leathery skin.

Still to be studied further

also a photo of a Lactoria cornuta (horned boxfish) for comparison

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Heres A nice fish i found of an unidentified possible new species of OSTRACIIDAE Lactoria(Boxfish)

From Miocene rocks here in New Zealand amazing detail in its leathery skin. Still to be studied further also a photo of a Lactoria cornuta (horned boxfish) for comparison

Awesome fossil Dave - thanks for posting! ;)

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It measures approximately five feet in length.

Cool fish!! I want one of those!!! Still looking... Did you prep it? Well done.

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It measures approximately five feet in length.

Another spectacular addition to your fabulous collection... that is one mean looking fish... sharp pointy teeth.....

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I just wish someone knew what these teeth belonged to:

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I sent pics to a fish expert named Bemis but he never responded. The age is 102-103 mya.

Those are cool looking teeth ..... hope you get an ID... is it possible that the teeth are non fish in origin? ie reptile, amphibian etc....

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I just wish someone knew what these teeth belonged to:

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I sent pics to a fish expert named Bemis but he never responded. The age is 102-103 mya.

We find those in our late Cretaceous deposits too. I just looked in Donald Brinkman's guide to microfossils from the Dinosaur Park Fm, and he does not show them in there. This is one of my Go-to books for Iding small Cretaceous vertebrate fossils.

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Back in September I won the bid on some fish parts at the annual Dallas Paleo Society auction. All were labeled Kansas Fish donated by Gaston Bordelon. The first three pictures show items from a bag labeled "Articulated Verts Same Fish" and I got it for $12. Could this be from a Xiphactinus? Picture 2 is the edge view of the first picture. The verts in the third picture are about 1" across.

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This one went for $25 and was labeled "Fish Jaw"

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It was in about 6 pieces and the glue job could have been better.

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Back in September I won the bid on some fish parts at the annual Dallas Paleo Society auction. All were labeled Kansas Fish donated by Gaston Bordelon. The first three pictures show items from a bag labeled "Articulated Verts Same Fish" and I got it for $12. Could this be from a Xiphactinus? Picture 2 is the edge view of the first picture. The verts in the third picture are about 1" across.

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This one went for $25 and was labeled "Fish Jaw"

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It was in about 6 pieces and the glue job could have been better.

Bob - The 1st 2 are definitely Xiphactinus. The 3rd could be. Hard to tell without a size scale. The jaw looks to be Cimolythys. It looks like the 2 sides are backwards, though. The larger teeth should be on the inside of the jaw, and the fine teeth should be along the outside.

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Thanks X-guy. I was hoping you would reply. The second pic just had a quick, simple way to prop them up with no effort to align them right. I was thinking the smaller pieces with teeth might go on top near the front from pictures I've seen. The verts are about 1" in diameter, I forgot to include a scale. Have these been found in different formations in Kansas? I have no information on Gaston Bordelon maybe you know him. Would this be a smallish or younger fish from it's size?

Bob

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Thanks X-guy. I was hoping you would reply. The second pic just had a quick, simple way to prop them up with no effort to align them right. I was thinking the smaller pieces with teeth might go on top near the front from pictures I've seen. The verts are about 1" in diameter, I forgot to include a scale. Have these been found in different formations in Kansas? I have no information on Gaston Bordelon maybe you know him. Would this be a smallish or younger fish from it's size?

Bob

Bob -

what you have is the maxilla and premaxilla...in the 2nd pix, the smaller bone goes in front of the larger one. This illustration shows that pretty well:

http://oceansofkansas.com/Xiphactinus/prentice.jpg

Based on the size, it would be from a "teenager" X-fish....probably about 10' long.

Here's a lot of info on Xiphactinus.

http://oceansofkansas.com/xiphac.html

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I love fish, stock market prices are expensive in Belgium, the fish trade and I are buying an older collectibles

1- Berix sp libanon

2- Cobitopsis actus France

3- Cyclobatis major Libanon

4- Dapalis macrurus France

5- Dapalis macrurus France

6- Diplomystus brevissimus Libanon

7- leptolepis sprattiformis Germany

8- Lebias crassicaudatus Italia

9- Paramblypterus gelberti Germany

10- Prolebias goretti France

11- Priscacara serrata U.S.A

12- Mioplosus labracoides U.S.A

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