MOROPUS Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Do you include fish parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleecan Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I have got a very interesting Enneles eating a Vinctifer. I am not completely pleased with the photos, but I think they show the specimen clear enough. Clemsonskulls Very nice fossil. Rather than Enneles eating a Vinctifer... an event prior to death ie anoxic environment ... a reflex to get more water into the gills to extract more dissolve oxygen from the water caused the openning to the mouths.... ( analogous to a bucket of perch when oxygen is deleted... die with their mouths open) the Vinctifer landed in the sea bottom muck first followed by the larger Enneles ... and there they preserved as a pair into rock.... giving this illusion.... just speculation on my part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Very nice fossil. Rather than Enneles eating a Vinctifer... an event prior to death ie anoxic environment ... a reflex to get more water into the gills to extract more dissolve oxygen from the water caused the openning to the mouths.... ( analogous to a bucket of perch when oxygen is deleted... die with their mouths open) the Vinctifer landed in the sea bottom muck first followed by the larger Enneles ... and there they preserved as a pair into rock.... giving this illusion.... just speculation on my part... Pleecan - I disagree. The odds of that happening and the fish landing in that position are astronomical. Fossils of fish that got too greedy and choked to death really aren't all that uncommon. A more likely scenario than 2 fish dying at different times and falling just perfectly then fossilizing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleozoicfish Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Pleecan - I disagree. The odds of that happening and the fish landing in that position are astronomical. Fossils of fish that got too greedy and choked to death really aren't all that uncommon. A more likely scenario than 2 fish dying at different times and falling just perfectly then fossilizing. I concur with X-man. -PzF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 It's really not so uncommon to find one fish eating another. So far, I've found three or four examples. Fish are greedy and choke to death quite often. I have a small Leptolepides from Solnhofen (somewhere in my drawers) trying to swallow a belemnite nearly double the size. They are as greedy as I am. Thomas Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleecan Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Fossil fish form China.... one of favorites... bought this from Ebay many yrs ago .. have lost the little piece of paper that came with the fossil: Re-imaged with better equipment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TqB Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 It's really not so uncommon to find one fish eating another. So far, I've found three or four examples. Fish are greedy and choke to death quite often. I have a small Leptolepides from Solnhofen (somewhere in my drawers) trying to swallow a belemnite nearly double the size. They are as greedy as I am. Thomas Hi Thomas, I'm interested in predators on cephalopods and especially belemnites, I'd really love to see that! Tarquin Tarquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordovician_Odyssey Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) Just found this specimen packed away in storage for who knows how long. It's not the most spectacular thing but it's kind of neat. Mallotus villosus. From the Pleistocene Champlain Sea deposited at Green Creek, Orleans, Ontario. it seems that everyone has one of these but me, and im a short bikeride away i really need to get out there soon.......there preserved so nicely....amazing fish everyone! Edited December 11, 2010 by trilobite guy -Shamus The Ordovician enthusiast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Hi Thomas, I'm interested in predators on cephalopods and especially belemnites, I'd really love to see that! Tarquin It's not a belemnite, but here's a giant squid I found a couple of years ago with bite marks from a small shark. http://oceansofkansas.com/Invertebrates/Tusoteuthis-Garrett1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceH Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) I just wish someone knew what these teeth belonged to: I sent pics to a fish expert named Bemis but he never responded. The age is 102-103 mya. Edited December 11, 2010 by LanceHall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceH Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) Also Roz found this cool little fish (?) jaw, no ID either. The age is 102-103 mya. Edited December 11, 2010 by LanceHall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave pom Allen Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Heres A nice fish i found of an unidentified possible new species of OSTRACIIDAE Lactoria(Boxfish) From Miocene rocks here in New Zealand amazing detail in its leathery skin. Still to be studied further also a photo of a Lactoria cornuta (horned boxfish) for comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Heres A nice fish i found of an unidentified possible new species of OSTRACIIDAE Lactoria(Boxfish) From Miocene rocks here in New Zealand amazing detail in its leathery skin. Still to be studied further also a photo of a Lactoria cornuta (horned boxfish) for comparison Awesome fossil Dave - thanks for posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCFossils Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Here is a picture of my Saurodon from the Niobrara Chalk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCFossils Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 It measures approximately five feet in length. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 It measures approximately five feet in length. Cool fish!! I want one of those!!! Still looking... Did you prep it? Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 ok now that's scary. go re-bury that thing right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleecan Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 It measures approximately five feet in length. Another spectacular addition to your fabulous collection... that is one mean looking fish... sharp pointy teeth..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleecan Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 I just wish someone knew what these teeth belonged to: I sent pics to a fish expert named Bemis but he never responded. The age is 102-103 mya. Those are cool looking teeth ..... hope you get an ID... is it possible that the teeth are non fish in origin? ie reptile, amphibian etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 I just wish someone knew what these teeth belonged to: I sent pics to a fish expert named Bemis but he never responded. The age is 102-103 mya. We find those in our late Cretaceous deposits too. I just looked in Donald Brinkman's guide to microfossils from the Dinosaur Park Fm, and he does not show them in there. This is one of my Go-to books for Iding small Cretaceous vertebrate fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWill Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 (edited) Back in September I won the bid on some fish parts at the annual Dallas Paleo Society auction. All were labeled Kansas Fish donated by Gaston Bordelon. The first three pictures show items from a bag labeled "Articulated Verts Same Fish" and I got it for $12. Could this be from a Xiphactinus? Picture 2 is the edge view of the first picture. The verts in the third picture are about 1" across. This one went for $25 and was labeled "Fish Jaw" It was in about 6 pieces and the glue job could have been better. Edited December 13, 2010 by BobWill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Back in September I won the bid on some fish parts at the annual Dallas Paleo Society auction. All were labeled Kansas Fish donated by Gaston Bordelon. The first three pictures show items from a bag labeled "Articulated Verts Same Fish" and I got it for $12. Could this be from a Xiphactinus? Picture 2 is the edge view of the first picture. The verts in the third picture are about 1" across. This one went for $25 and was labeled "Fish Jaw" It was in about 6 pieces and the glue job could have been better. Bob - The 1st 2 are definitely Xiphactinus. The 3rd could be. Hard to tell without a size scale. The jaw looks to be Cimolythys. It looks like the 2 sides are backwards, though. The larger teeth should be on the inside of the jaw, and the fine teeth should be along the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWill Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 (edited) Thanks X-guy. I was hoping you would reply. The second pic just had a quick, simple way to prop them up with no effort to align them right. I was thinking the smaller pieces with teeth might go on top near the front from pictures I've seen. The verts are about 1" in diameter, I forgot to include a scale. Have these been found in different formations in Kansas? I have no information on Gaston Bordelon maybe you know him. Would this be a smallish or younger fish from it's size? Bob Edited December 13, 2010 by BobWill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Thanks X-guy. I was hoping you would reply. The second pic just had a quick, simple way to prop them up with no effort to align them right. I was thinking the smaller pieces with teeth might go on top near the front from pictures I've seen. The verts are about 1" in diameter, I forgot to include a scale. Have these been found in different formations in Kansas? I have no information on Gaston Bordelon maybe you know him. Would this be a smallish or younger fish from it's size? Bob Bob - what you have is the maxilla and premaxilla...in the 2nd pix, the smaller bone goes in front of the larger one. This illustration shows that pretty well: http://oceansofkansas.com/Xiphactinus/prentice.jpg Based on the size, it would be from a "teenager" X-fish....probably about 10' long. Here's a lot of info on Xiphactinus. http://oceansofkansas.com/xiphac.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dent de requin Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I love fish, stock market prices are expensive in Belgium, the fish trade and I are buying an older collectibles 1- Berix sp libanon 2- Cobitopsis actus France 3- Cyclobatis major Libanon 4- Dapalis macrurus France 5- Dapalis macrurus France 6- Diplomystus brevissimus Libanon 7- leptolepis sprattiformis Germany 8- Lebias crassicaudatus Italia 9- Paramblypterus gelberti Germany 10- Prolebias goretti France 11- Priscacara serrata U.S.A 12- Mioplosus labracoides U.S.A 1 My website on fossil http://dents-de-requin.over-blog.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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