jdp Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Anyways, this is really cool! That's definitely not 'C.' frazieri, and is almost certainly a new species. I don't think it's C. robustus either. Safely, this should be a new genus and species, but lungfish nomenclature is a total mess and a lot of things get called "Ceratodus" which should not be. A few features remind me a little of some animals from Europe as well as "C" kranzi from the east coast. Neat animal, though. Thanks for sharing! I look forward to reading the eventual paper on it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMoore Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 That is great. That is what makes this such a good hobby. You do not need a huge budget or large team to make a significant contribution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankh8147 Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 hours ago, jdp said: Anyways, this is really cool! That's definitely not 'C.' frazieri, and is almost certainly a new species. I don't think it's C. robustus either. Safely, this should be a new genus and species, but lungfish nomenclature is a total mess and a lot of things get called "Ceratodus" which should not be. A few features remind me a little of some animals from Europe as well as "C" kranzi from the east coast. Neat animal, though. Thanks for sharing! I look forward to reading the eventual paper on it! Thanks! I'll certainly let you know when the study comes out on it, should be in a couple months. -Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimTexan Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 4:37 PM, RJB said: I dont mean to sound ignorant, but what about the rest of the fish? Is it a soft bodied fish? Is this the only part that fossilizes? Still cool, dont want to take anything away. RB I am not sure if your question is specific to NJ or in general but I know @Nimravis has recently found lungfish scales. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 3:37 PM, RJB said: I dont mean to sound ignorant, but what about the rest of the fish? Is it a soft bodied fish? Is this the only part that fossilizes? Still cool, dont want to take anything away. RB Lungfishes have bone in the skull, jaws, pectoral girdle, ribs, and scales. Early lungfishes from the Devonian have a bit more bone in them. However, bones are not well-connected to each other and therefore identifiable lungfish skeletons are rare. Toothplates are really robust, however, and are very identifiable, so they are the most commonly identified lungfish fossils out there. However, skulls do exist....and they are weird! For instance, here is a modern African lungfish: http://www.digimorph.org/specimens/Protopterus_dolloi/ Here is the late Paleozoic lungfish Sagenodus: http://www.repository.naturalis.nl/document/571883 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimTexan Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 hours ago, jdp said: Lungfishes have bone in the skull, jaws, pectoral girdle, ribs, and scales. Early lungfishes from the Devonian have a bit more bone in them. However, bones are not well-connected to each other and therefore identifiable lungfish skeletons are rare. Toothplates are really robust, however, and are very identifiable, so they are the most commonly identified lungfish fossils out there. However, skulls do exist....and they are weird! For instance, here is a modern African lungfish: http://www.digimorph.org/specimens/Protopterus_dolloi/ Here is the late Paleozoic lungfish Sagenodus: http://www.repository.naturalis.nl/document/571883 Their skulls kind of look like parts of turtle shell. That is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Sort of, yes! Basically, the cheeks and face aren't well-ossified, but the top of the head is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilsAnonymous Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Congratulations! I know I'm a little late but anyway..... 1 On The Hunt For The Trophy Otodus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankh8147 Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 UPDATE - The study on this just came out in 'The Mosasaur' (link below) and we do believe this lungfish to be a new species. As stated in the article, we are looking for other specimens so if anything else is out there, please let us know! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-kntyDpO_YbWhihO7Dne8jRmaKhqiFGV/view I wanted to thank Tony @njfossilhunter, Barbara Grandstaff, and David Parris for making this a really fun project! If anyone thinks they have something of scientific importance, I would recommend donating it. It's a great experience! Thanks again! -Frank @Carl @Jeffrey P @jdp @Trevor @non-remanié @Fossildude19 @Darktooth 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Congratulations, again Frank. The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Brilliant! Congratulations! Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 50 minutes ago, frankh8147 said: UPDATE - The study on this just came out in 'The Mosasaur' (link below) and we do believe this lungfish to be a new species. As stated in the article, we are looking for other specimens so if anything else is out there, please let us know! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-kntyDpO_YbWhihO7Dne8jRmaKhqiFGV/view I wanted to thank Tony @njfossilhunter, Barbara Grandstaff, and David Parris for making this a really fun project! If anyone thinks they have something of scientific importance, I would recommend donating it. It's a great experience! Thanks again! -Frank @Carl @Jeffrey P @jdp @Trevor @non-remanié @Fossildude19 @Darktooth Awesome, Frank! Well done! Congratulations!! Here's hoping they can have more specimens found and donated! 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Rock on, Frank! Excellent work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amateur Paleontologist Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 23 hours ago, frankh8147 said: UPDATE - The study on this just came out in 'The Mosasaur' (link below) and we do believe this lungfish to be a new species. As stated in the article, we are looking for other specimens so if anything else is out there, please let us know! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-kntyDpO_YbWhihO7Dne8jRmaKhqiFGV/view I wanted to thank Tony @njfossilhunter, Barbara Grandstaff, and David Parris for making this a really fun project! If anyone thinks they have something of scientific importance, I would recommend donating it. It's a great experience! Thanks again! -Frank @Carl @Jeffrey P @jdp @Trevor @non-remanié @Fossildude19 @Darktooth Excellent news!! This is great! -Christian Opalised fossils are the best: a wonderful mix between paleontology and mineralogy! Q. Where do dinosaurs study? A. At Khaan Academy!... My ResearchGate profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey P Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Big congratulations Frank. I'll have to read this article. This is a wonderful honor very few of us will ever achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Glad to see this out. Do you know if it's going to be formally named at some point in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankh8147 Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 Thanks everyone! 7 hours ago, jdp said: Glad to see this out. Do you know if it's going to be formally named at some point in the future? I'm not quite sure, in all honesty. Right now, we are looking to see what else might be out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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