Cachersusie Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I found this tooth on the gravel bed of the creek last week. It seems fossilized, the best I can tell anyway. Do you guys know what it might have belonged to? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Horse. 2 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Almost certainly Cow or Bison.... but differentiating is the difficulty See this thread. 4 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, Shellseeker said: Almost certainly Cow or Bison. Could You explain why this ID over horse? Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, ynot said: Could You explain why this ID over horse? So , pretty close .. If you look at the 1st photo and then this photo from the thread I pointed to... Cut it in half, the tooth being asked for identification is split lengthwise. Then this photo from @Harry Pristis of an Equus, I think the horse is a more complicated tooth... What do you think Tony? 5 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Bovid lophid. Try to find a similar lophid in the images provided. For comparison: 6 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cachersusie Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 Thank you all for your help. Here are some different angles. It probably won't help with identification but maybe with age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shellseeker Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Cachersusie said: Thank you all for your help. Here are some different angles. It probably won't help with identification but maybe with age. Because the modern cow and prehistoric bison ( and North Texas has huge numbers of each) are so closely related, it is extremely difficult even for an expert to differentiate from a single tooth. There is a "burn test" inserting a hot needle to smell the result... fossilized rock does not smell. I have never performed the test, myself. Your tooth has character and age. It LOOKS fossilized. In my collection, I would proudly keep it with my other bison teeth. I have a few that I treat that way, even though the % of bison versus cow in Florida is low. 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 13 hours ago, Cachersusie said: Thank you all for your help. Here are some different angles. It probably won't help with identification but maybe with age. The fragment is already identified as a closed vertical cylinder of enamel from a bovid (bison or cow) cheek tooth. The end of the cylinder (a lophid) is exposed in the occlusal surface of the tooth. Age of this fragment cannot be determined from images, but we know that bison entered North America in the Pleistocene, while cows were introduced just a few hundred years ago. A 'burn test' or 'match test' will indicate only whether there is collagen remaining in a bone -- scorched collagen has an awful smell. Briefly apply an open flame (I prefer a butane lighter) to an inconspicuous area of the object . . . you cannot keep a pin hot enough long enough to scorch collagen. Tooth enamel contains hydroxyapatite, but doesn't contain significant collagen, so the 'burn test' on tooth enamel would be a waste of time. 6 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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