Bone Daddy Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Here are a couple of verts that I found very close to each other. I am not sure if they are from the same critter or not. I am not sure if they are fossil or recent, but if I had to guess, I would guess they are recent or Holocene. Any ideas what these are? Verts give me trouble - they are rarely what I think they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Hi, Can't help, but thanks for the scale ! Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone Daddy Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 Hi Coco, yes, the scale cube works better for meteorite micromounts (my main obsession), so I will start using the ruler for fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymig Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Looks like a canid atlas. Maybe a coyote. 1 Many times I've wondered how much there is to know. led zeppelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone Daddy Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 I hadn't considered coyote, because these seemed a little small. But, I did find a coyote skull last year, not far from where these verts were recovered. So, kinda makes you think.... Any other guesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone Daddy Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 Here is another vert I forgot to add. This one is much larger. It's also denser, but I can't tell if it's mineralized or partially, or... I have no idea what this one is either. If it's recent, then it must be an alligator maybe? If it's Pleistocene, then gator or large deer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone Daddy Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 Any guesses on what this big one might be? I am reluctant to throw these in the oddball box just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacha Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Bone Daddy said: Any guesses on what this big one might be? I am reluctant to throw these in the oddball box just yet. It's not gator, but can't help otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 14 hours ago, Bone Daddy said: Any guesses on what this big one might be? I am reluctant to throw these in the oddball box just yet. Bison/Bos .... The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemipristis Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 On 6/11/2019 at 5:06 AM, Bone Daddy said: Here is another vert I forgot to add. This one is much larger. It's also denser, but I can't tell if it's mineralized or partially, or... I have no idea what this one is either. If it's recent, then it must be an alligator maybe? If it's Pleistocene, then gator or large deer? Manatee, I believe, based upon the heart-shape (at least that's what I've been told) 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' George Santayana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone Daddy Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 If this one is manatee, would that be a Holocene manatee or a Miocene dugong? The dugong ribs I find are very dense and mineralized, but this vert is not nearly as dense. It would seem more recent, but that could just be variation in preservation states based on local geology (found in sand versus found in limestone versus found in clay, etc)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemipristis Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 18 hours ago, Bone Daddy said: If this one is manatee, would that be a Holocene manatee or a Miocene dugong? The dugong ribs I find are very dense and mineralized, but this vert is not nearly as dense. It would seem more recent, but that could just be variation in preservation states based on local geology (found in sand versus found in limestone versus found in clay, etc)... Thats been my experience as well. Dense, solid phosphatized Dugong ribs are pretty common in the Onslow Beach-Topsail Island area of NC. I've only seen a few verts. I didn't know what they were, but someone here told me of the characteristic heart shape. Differences in preservation do reflect the lithology and type of preservation, for sure. How hard/soft is it? Is there any mineralization? You could try the lighter/hot pin method. 1 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' George Santayana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 3 hours ago, hemipristis said: You could try the lighter/hot pin method. It is called a "flame test", and a hot pin will not have the results desired because it will not hold the heat long enough. 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone Daddy Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2019 I will try that and report back with the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone Daddy Posted June 16, 2019 Author Share Posted June 16, 2019 Passed the flame test. Apparently it's fossilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Bone Daddy said: Passed the flame test. Apparently it's fossilized. PS The flame test is not 100% accurate. It only tells You if collagen is still in the bone. 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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