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Here are a couple of verts that I found very close to each other. I am not sure if they are from the same critter or not. I am not sure if they are fossil or recent, but if I had to guess, I would guess they are recent or Holocene.

 

Any ideas what these are? Verts give me trouble - they are rarely what I think they are.

 

 

 

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Hi,

 

Can't help, but thanks for the scale ! ;)

 

Coco

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Hi Coco, yes, the scale cube works better for meteorite micromounts (my main obsession), so I will start using the ruler for fossils.  :)

 

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Looks like a canid atlas. Maybe a coyote. 

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I hadn't considered coyote, because these seemed a little small. But, I did find a coyote skull last year, not far from where these verts were recovered. So, kinda makes you think....

 

Any other guesses?

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Here is another vert I forgot to add. This one is much larger. It's also denser, but I can't tell if it's mineralized or partially, or...

 

I have no idea what this one is either. If it's recent, then it must be an alligator maybe? If it's Pleistocene, then gator or large deer?

 

 

 

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Any guesses on what this big one might be? I am reluctant to throw these in the oddball box just yet.  :)

 

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1 hour ago, Bone Daddy said:

Any guesses on what this big one might be? I am reluctant to throw these in the oddball box just yet.  :)

 

It's not gator, but can't help otherwise.

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14 hours ago, Bone Daddy said:

Any guesses on what this big one might be? I am reluctant to throw these in the oddball box just yet.  :)

 

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On ‎6‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 5:06 AM, Bone Daddy said:

Here is another vert I forgot to add. This one is much larger. It's also denser, but I can't tell if it's mineralized or partially, or...

 

I have no idea what this one is either. If it's recent, then it must be an alligator maybe? If it's Pleistocene, then gator or large deer?

 

 

 

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Manatee, I believe, based upon the heart-shape (at least that's what I've been told)

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If this one is manatee, would that be a Holocene manatee or a Miocene dugong? The dugong ribs I find are very dense and mineralized, but this vert is not nearly as dense. It would seem more recent, but that could just be variation in preservation states based on local geology (found in sand versus found in limestone versus found in clay, etc)...

 

 

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18 hours ago, Bone Daddy said:

If this one is manatee, would that be a Holocene manatee or a Miocene dugong? The dugong ribs I find are very dense and mineralized, but this vert is not nearly as dense. It would seem more recent, but that could just be variation in preservation states based on local geology (found in sand versus found in limestone versus found in clay, etc)...

 

 

Thats been my experience as well.  Dense, solid phosphatized Dugong ribs are pretty common in the Onslow Beach-Topsail Island area of NC.

 

I've only seen a few verts.  I didn't know what they were, but someone here told me of the characteristic heart shape. 

 

Differences in preservation do reflect the lithology and type of preservation, for sure. How hard/soft is it?  Is there any mineralization?  You could try the lighter/hot pin method. 

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3 hours ago, hemipristis said:

 You could try the lighter/hot pin method. 

It is called a "flame test", and a hot pin will not have the results desired because it will not hold the heat long enough.

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1 hour ago, Bone Daddy said:

Passed the flame test. Apparently it's fossilized.  :)

 

:thumbsu:

 

PS The flame test is not 100% accurate. It only tells You if collagen is still in the bone.

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