Monica Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Hi everyone! Inspired by @JamieLynn, I purchased some micromatrix from our favourite auction site a couple of months ago. It finally arrived last week, and after going through it once, I've found a few little goodies that I'd like help in identifying. I'll also tag @Bobby Rico because I know that he has searched through this stuff in the past, too. The fossils are from Richard's Spur in Oklahoma and they are Permian in age. Perhaps @jdp and @dinodigger can also have a look (especially at #1 and #5)? I appreciate any help you can give! Thanks in advance! Monica Item #1: I think this might be a tooth from Cacops sp. (amphibian) Item #2: I think this might be a piece of jaw from Captorhinus aguti (reptile) More to come... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I keep having trouble seeing posts with so many pictures in one post. Seems to be a problem with Chrome and Opera. It would be helpful to cut down on the amount of pictures per post to no more than 5 or so. 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monica Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: I keep having trouble seeing posts with so many pictures in one post. Seems to be a problem with Chrome and Opera. It would be helpful to cut down on the amount of pictures per post to no more than 5 or so. Okay - I'm on it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monica Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 Item #3: Another piece of jaw from Captorhinus aguti (reptile)? Item #4: Another piece of jaw from Captorhinus aguti (reptile)? Item #5: This looks like it could have been covered in a bunch of tiny teeth, but perhaps I'm seeing things??? More to come... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monica Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 Item #6: I think this might be a vertebra from Captorhinus aguti (reptile) Item #7: More vertebrae - could these also be from Captorhinus aguti (reptile)? Item #8: I think these are cute little toe bones from Captorhinus aguti (reptile) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monica Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: I keep having trouble seeing posts with so many pictures in one post. Seems to be a problem with Chrome and Opera. It would be helpful to cut down on the amount of pictures per post to no more than 5 or so. I've chunked up the pictures into three posts (4-5 pictures per post) - hopefully that has solved the problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Rico Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Hi Monica it is lovely stuff isn’t. i could not get far on ideas because of my dyslexia but I copied a couple of my post that maybe of interest. I will be watching this thread now . I just love the Permian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Monica said: Okay - I'm on it! Thank you, Monica! 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Pretty rich in nice fossils including jaws 1 My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Sorry I can't help you with ids, but I just wanted to say that that's some pretty cool stuff. 1 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petalodus12 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Awesome material! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieLynn Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I definitely agree the jaws and verts are Captorhinus. As my friend told me, they are kind of like roaches out there! hahahhaha It's very interesting that your finds are all white. All of my finds were completely black! DIfferent areas of mineralization I guess. Good stuff, I look forward to seeing more! 1 www.fossil-quest.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilNerd Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I guess I need to get into some of this micro matrix. So much good stuff that I am missing out on! Great stuff Monica! Jaws, teeth, vertebrate, toe bones, lions, tigers, and bears. Oh my! 1 The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. -Neil deGrasse Tyson Everyone you will ever meet knows something you don't. -Bill Nye (The Science Guy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyw Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I could be wrong but #5 reminds me of an archeria amphibian palate.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monica Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 Thanks @Bobby Rico, @RuMert, @Ludwigia, @Petalodus12, and @FossilNerd! It is indeed very nice micromatrix! Before these finds I had absolutely no Permian fossils in my collection, so now I'll be able to put a few items into a small floating membrane display stand and add that to my fossil display area downstairs - woohoo! 10 hours ago, JamieLynn said: I definitely agree the jaws and verts are Captorhinus. As my friend told me, they are kind of like roaches out there! hahahhaha It's very interesting that your finds are all white. All of my finds were completely black! DIfferent areas of mineralization I guess. Good stuff, I look forward to seeing more! I got my micromatrix from a seller in the UK (I'm thinking it might have been the same seller that @Bobby Rico used since his finds appear to be quite similar to mine) because I'm not on Facebook and thought I couldn't purchase micromatrix from your supplier. I have since been given the email for your supplier (thanks to @grandpa ) but instead of Permian micromatrix I ordered Cretaceous micromatrix from them so I can try to hunt for dinosaurs from home Thanks for chiming in re: your thoughts on my finds. What do you think about item #1? Could it be a Cacops? The identification sheet I was given with the micromatrix includes photos of Cacops teeth and I'm thinking mine could be one? But I really don't know. 9 hours ago, Randyw said: I could be wrong but #5 reminds me of an archeria amphibian palate.... Hi Randy - thanks for responding to my call for help! I've googled Archeria jaw palates and mine does resemble one (with mine having broken rather than intact teeth) - thanks for the suggestion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Rico Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 50 minutes ago, Monica said: few items into a small floating membrane display stand and add that to my fossil display area downstairs - woohoo! Oh I would like to see that indeed. Please and thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieLynn Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 The single teeth are really tricky to ID, but it sure looks like a broken Cacops to me. It if had the grooves more distinct I'd say for sure. Lemme send it over to PaleoTex and see what they think. 1 www.fossil-quest.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I'm not sure how you'd go about distinguishing Cacops from the various other large temnospondyls known from Ft Sill, but the large pulp cavity honestly looks more amniote than temnospondyl. I would not be surprised if that was varanopid or parareptile. The denticulate plate ("item #5") could be from a range of tetrapods. It's not Archeria, and nor are most of the fragments attributed to Archeria. Archeria is not known from Ft Sill, and likely was not present in that ecosystem, which is dominated by terrestrial forms. Most of the other bones are probably captorhinid, but it should be noted that there are something like 7-8 captorhinids from Ft Sill and these are hard to distinguish based on fragments. Some of those might be microsaur; microsaur and captorhinid vertebrae are pretty similar. Item 6 is probably not captorhinid, though. It looks more like a varanopid to me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monica Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 Thank you so much, @jdp! I'm going to be less specific on my labels - I'm just happy to have some idea as to what type of animals these little bits belonged to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 No problem. I see most of these animals routinely as more complete skulls, so it's fun to look at fragments and see what I can make of them. Glad you're enjoying these. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieLynn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 @Monica - my friend Matthew said it is definitely not Cacops tooth, but he couldn't quite pin down what it was. 1 www.fossil-quest.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monica Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 hours ago, JamieLynn said: @Monica - my friend Matthew said it is definitely not Cacops tooth, but he couldn't quite pin down what it was. No worries at all! jdp provided some guidance so I'm good to go with labeling my specimens, but thanks for looking into it for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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