Jump to content

Help identifying turtle species


Psmith8547

Recommended Posts

  • New Members

I found this turtle in Hell Creek formation outside Glendive MT last summer, well below KT junction (image 2670).  I can't find textbooks or images similar.  43 cm x21 cm (2677). Carapace relatively good markings (image 3127) though lots of cracks.  What I can't find is a group of turtles having a carapace without the pygal/supracaudal scutes ( image 3126- i.e. it's indented, definitely not fractured. It is quite fragmented and I'd love to find an anatomy book to aid in gluing it back together right.

1905685445_IMG_2670(2).JPG

1453004012_IMG_2776(2).JPG

IMG_3126.jpg

IMG_3127.jpg

  • Enjoyed 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

So I saw this when you first posted but didn't have time to respond.  This is a really fantastic turtle.  I am interpreting photo 3126 as the FRONT of the carapace showing the nuchal bone which is likely critical for getting an ID.  But, I don't have a clue what species this is.


The best GUESS I can make is that it's a basal species in Trionychidae just based off the bone texture.  My first attempt at interpretation is attached.  Red for bone sutures and yellow for possible location of scute boundaries.  More prep and photos might help confirm.

 

IMG_3126_edit2.thumb.jpg.a082762b447c71b2c07fe1ea3eadfe54.jpg

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Here’s another species that’s even more similar in suture pattern.  So Araripemydidae definitely looks like best candidate so far but haven’t stumbled across a species documented from North America yet.

 

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-New-Long-Necked-Turtle%2C-Laganemys-tenerensis-from-Sereno-Elshafie/af8a60868474697fc463d850b5319047cb2c3164#extracted

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • New Members

Hi all Thank you so much for the time and help you have already put into this.  I fill I did a poor job following instructions on how to post pictures.  My apologies. These are better and on cm. paper, I looked up each of the three genii listed and there are certainly some common features, especially the soft shells.  The texture of the "skin" on those photos match some of what I am seeing.  My problem with all of them is they all have the pygal or caudal bones. I can't find turtles missing this piece. I've included another picture (3159). This is definitely the caudal end (nuchal pic below).   The upper part of the pic is what I is perceive as the missing bone (cup shaped, sandy looking). The edges are very smooth, slightly heaped up and don't look like injury.  At bottom of pic is the lowest nuchal bump (about 5 o'clock).  The nuchal end still as a vertebral body (pointed object pic 3161) and I found the skull (pics 3152 - two eye sockets and beak - out of focus; also included pic Right side with eye socket 3128.  The top was missing.  Any input appreciated. Again thank you.

  

IMG_3128 (2).JPG

IMG_3152 (2).JPG

1445747213_IMG_3159(2).JPG

1384073151_IMG_3161(2).JPG

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...