New Members Organicognition Posted May 28, 2022 New Members Share Posted May 28, 2022 Another photo from my travels looks remarkably like a foot print. But can't be a giant lol Goes against mainstream beliefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) Back when this rock was mud (soft enough to form a footprint in) shoes were still many, many, many millions of years short of existence. If it was a barefoot print one would expect evidence of toes or claws if animal. It's just a depression in the rock caused by differential weathering. There's trillions of those around the world, pretty much anywhere you find sedimentary rock and water in close proximity. Edited May 28, 2022 by Mark Kmiecik fix typo 4 Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members Organicognition Posted May 28, 2022 Author New Members Share Posted May 28, 2022 Thanks for reply....im sure back then people still had some form of rudimentary shoe, maybe made from animal skins. Ps...must be large as bros foot was size 10 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Organicognition said: Thanks for reply....im sure back then people still had some form of rudimentary shoe, maybe made from animal skins. Ps...must be large as bros foot was size 10 . This rock was formed wwwaaaaaayyyyy before people existed. 1 3 Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 This looks like a high energy environment. The cobble around it would likely have seriously altered any original shape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members Organicognition Posted May 28, 2022 Author New Members Share Posted May 28, 2022 Then to say I believe there was a previously advanced civilisation long long long ago will sound really crazy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Just now, Organicognition said: Then to say I believe there was a previously advanced civilisation long long long ago will sound really crazy lol I wouldn't say it's crazy. It's just something we don't have positive proof of (yet?). At this point it's possible, just not probable. 1 Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Organicognition said: Then to say I believe there was a previously advanced civilisation long long long ago will sound really crazy lol We stick to scientific facts here. 1 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Well, evidence at least, facts could be a tad strong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 39 minutes ago, Organicognition said: But can't be a giant lol Goes against mainstream beliefs Please keep in mind part of our published community standards: Quote The Fossil Forum is a venue for the sharing of a common interest in fossils (please note that, pursuant to this, we are fundamentally a science-based forum, wherein curiosity meets critical thinking, and topics promulgating metaphysical, paranormal, conspiracy theory, or pseudo-scientific topics will be out of place). Participants in the resulting social network expect and deserve a respectful and courteous dialog. 2 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I would call it differential erosion. 3 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBkansas Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 It's a cool rock! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members Organicognition Posted May 28, 2022 Author New Members Share Posted May 28, 2022 I believe there has been proof of a previous advanced civilisation from carbon dating to giant bones found and many more other things. Because these things do not conform with mainstream beliefs these discoveries lose validation, evidence is censored and qualified people are discredited. If my beliefs offend anyone then I'm sorry lol but no one should be that sensitive and please don't label me as a conspiracy theorist lol.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Organicognition said: I believe there has been proof of a previous advanced civilisation from carbon dating to giant bones found and many more other things. Because these things do not conform with mainstream beliefs these discoveries lose validation, evidence is censored and qualified people are discredited. If my beliefs offend anyone then I'm sorry lol but no one should be that sensitive and please don't label me as a conspiracy theorist lol.... The fact that you state that somehow science has an agenda which includes having a single "mainstream belief" and then suggest that " these discoveries lose validation, evidence is censored and qualified people are discredited. " is in itself evidence you are a conspiracy theorist by definition. Science is not about belief. It's about ideas supported by evidence, which can and are tested repeatedly and must be falsifiable. If an ancient civilization is discovered, why would we be unhappy? Science often has disproved what were considered "mainstream beliefs". Science is about supporting theories with evidence and knocking old ideas down to replace them with new ones. Not about the status quo. Edited May 28, 2022 by Tidgy's Dad 1 1 6 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 38 minutes ago, Organicognition said: I believe there has been proof of a previous advanced civilisation from carbon dating to giant bones found and many more other things. Because these things do not conform with mainstream beliefs these discoveries lose validation, evidence is censored and qualified people are discredited. If my beliefs offend anyone then I'm sorry lol but no one should be that sensitive and please don't label me as a conspiracy theorist lol.... Proof is fine for math and whiskey, not in science. That is not how the empirical method works. As Adam sagely said above, falsification and stringent testing are the litmus of science. Belief and science also do not mix. Evidence is not "censored." Regardless of what is said on YouTube, there is no agenda, and truth wins out. There are certainly things we want to be true, or that we don't want to be true, but reality has other plans and good minds will almost always find a way of speaking truth to falsehood, even under the duress of political oppression -- and that has been borne out repeatedly in history. To claim that evidence of some previous advanced civilization is being censored raises the question of what is there to gain in doing so. Most democratic political systems around the world are fairly short-sighted in their goals on the basis of election cycles and very simple interests. There is nothing of political value in trying to censor that type of information, if it were even viable, which our current understanding says it is not. More likely, a dogged belief in some previous advanced civilization is really just a cover for a desire to create some mystical causative meaning for our existence. Occam's razor is very helpful when considering conspiracy theories such as these. Not all things "mainstream" are suspect or evil. Many mainstream views have entered into our societies that are useful to keep, such as the abolition of slavery or universal enfranchisement of the vote or that the world is round. Far too often, "mainstream" is brandished like an epithet to advance the views of what certain people want to be true. It certainly drives clickbait, though! 1 4 1 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBkansas Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 As someone who knows some scientists, the idea of not publishing something because it goes against the mainstream is hard to believe. There's arguments in paleontology right now about trying to eliminate upto a third of known dinosaur species. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members Organicognition Posted May 29, 2022 Author New Members Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Thanks for comments Edited May 29, 2022 by Organicognition Repost ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 7 hours ago, JBkansas said: As someone who knows some scientists, the idea of not publishing something because it goes against the mainstream is hard to believe. There's arguments in paleontology right now about trying to eliminate upto a third of known dinosaur species. This is a very detailed and tiny "problem". No problem at all. Considering the very fragmentary evidence (conservation bias etc.), there are many ways estimating number of species within a related group of organisms, all with its merits and pitfalls. Number of dino species will often change for some time to come . Franz Bernhard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members Organicognition Posted May 29, 2022 Author New Members Share Posted May 29, 2022 Thanks for people's educated comments . I believe through what I have seen that there is a reason to cover things up if they do not conform with mainstream beliefs. I admit I am just a rambler though with little knowledge of paleontology and I also admit that photo is probably not an actual footprint lol. I don't like the term conspiracy theriost as I believe that term was put out there to TAG people with alternative beliefs so I think I am a conspiracy realist. I do believe there have been previously advanced civilisations on this planet but I have no proof and it is just a belief ! So sorry for not sticking to facts. I will carry with my pursuit of freedom and adventure and hope to send you some more controversial photos soon take care 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Organicognition said: and hope to send you some more controversial photos soon After this exchange, I would strongly suggest that you send your photos elsewhere on a more appropriate website which is more attuned to your beliefs. I'm afraid that posting them here would just be a waste of your and our time. 1 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members Organicognition Posted May 29, 2022 Author New Members Share Posted May 29, 2022 Isn't that the idea of this site ? To discuss fossilised things. If I knew much about paleontology I wouldn't need people's opinion. You seem to have a problem with debate Ludwig and a very closed mind. With your attitude nothing amazing would be discovered ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Hi, 29 minutes ago, Organicognition said: I admit I am just a rambler though with little knowledge of paleontology and I also admit that photo is probably not an actual footprint lol. 7 minutes ago, Organicognition said: If I knew much about paleontology The Dunning-Kruger effect, also known as the overconfidence effect, is a cognitive bias by which the least qualified in a field overestimate their competence. 8 minutes ago, Organicognition said: You seem to have a problem with debate Ludwig and a very closed mind. With your attitude nothing amazing would be discovered ! You don’t know who you’re talking to ! @Ludwigia is a specialist in his field of paleontology and I trust him, because he isn't fixed on his ideas of determinations. He knows his field very well for decades, and that doesn't prevent him from asking the opinion of others from time to time to affirm or invalidate his thoughts on an identification of which he would not be sure. This is exactly what a scientist does : challenge his knowledge, share with others and move forward together in this way ! Coco 1 1 1 ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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