oldtimer Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I have a sand dollar that is mostly covered by pyrite. It still has most of it's luster. I have read about pyrite disease and am wondering what I should do to help preserve it. I have also read that having pyrite in the fossil showcases my affect other fossils. Is this true? What should I do to bring back some of the luster? And how would be a good way to seal it to prevent the turning or ruining of the fossil and others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWGeoFan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 http://preparation.paleo.amnh.org/56/pyrite-disease This should help a little bit 1 "I am going to dig up dinosaurs whether they are liquid or solid" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWGeoFan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 minute ago, NWGeoFan said: http://preparation.paleo.amnh.org/56/pyrite-disease This should help a little bit just saw most of the links it had are outdated, this should help more https://www.fossilidentification.org/pyrite-fossils.html "I am going to dig up dinosaurs whether they are liquid or solid" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 Can the fossil be coated with something like a polyurethane or other clear coating to not have to use oil monthly? I live in Oklahoma where the humidity is ridiculously high in the summer so I am concerned big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 3 hours ago, oldtimer said: Can the fossil be coated with something like a polyurethane or other clear coating to not have to use oil monthly? I live in Oklahoma where the humidity is ridiculously high in the summer so I am concerned big time. Yes. I coat the fossils liberally with a cellulose lacquer which we call zapon lack. It's best to bake them beforehand for a few minutes in the oven in order to remove any moisture. One can then repeat the procedure every few years just to be sure. This method prolongues their survival for quite a few years, but nevertheless, depending on the stability of the pyrite/marcasite, some of them will start to bloom at some point, whereas others can remain intact for decades or even longer. 1 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 an acrylic based satin nail polish hardener will work in small specimens 2 "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 I am not sure what an acrylic nail polish hardener is. Are there other products that can work? I would like to preserve this fossil but also prevent damage to others in my cabinet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 hour ago, oldtimer said: I am not sure what an acrylic nail polish hardener is. Are there other products that can work? I would like to preserve this fossil but also prevent damage to others in my cabinet.. There are some good threads on this subject in the fossil preparation sub forum here on TFF. 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Just go to the hardware store for the zapon lacquer or the drug store for nail polish hardener. Neither of them will disturb your other fossils. 1 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrguy54 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Before coating it with anything, clean it with Comet to bring back whatever luster you can. Toothbrush, Comet, water. Dry well after. I do this often to my pyrite. Then coat with whatever you decide once it is dry. But you'll do so with the shiniest you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asher Cordova Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 How common are Iron pyrite/Quartz veins in very fine shale deposits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, Asher Cordova said: How common are Iron pyrite/Quartz veins in very fine shale deposits? Depends on the depositional and preservation environment. I've worked in shales where pyrite tracks from burrows was quite common, and the replacement mineral for trilobite shells and nautiloids was more or less pyritized in full; and I've worked in shales where there is no visible trace of pyrite. I've also gone through largely non-fossiliferous or poorly fossiliferous shales of the Marcellus that had an abundance of pyrite staining along with large pyrite nodules. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Pyrite is nor UNcommon in black shales,indicating the former presence of hydrogendisulphide. A sign of intermittent or absent oxygenation(anoxia). Actually D(egree)O(f) Pyritization is a common proxy for D(egree) O(f) O(xygentaion) Particulary if the pyrite is framboidal(boisenberry-like shape) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Is this an example of framboidal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Malone said: Is this an example of framboidal? Framboidal is a microscopic feature and We would need pictures under high magnification to be able to say it is or is not. 3 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, ynot said: Framboidal is a microscopic feature and We would need pictures under high magnification to be able to say it is or is not. I have been looking into a microscope that attaches to my phone. it's amazing the things that are being made! Thank for your response! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 I believe this partial steinkern has framboidal pyrite, but I don't have a microscope for my camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 1:13 PM, hrguy54 said: Before coating it with anything, clean it with Comet to bring back whatever luster you can. Toothbrush, Comet, water. Dry well after. I do this often to my pyrite. Then coat with whatever you decide once it is dry. But you'll do so with the shiniest you can get. Does comet bring back the shine? Will water not affect the Pyrite or fossil in a bad way? I presume for sure it is going to have to be extra dry before coating. Is iron out a better choice to bring out the gold color and shine over comet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, oldtimer said: Is iron out a better choice Iron out is an acid that will get into the micro fractures in the pyrite and eat it from the inside (unless it is neutralized after application.). I would not use it on a pyrite specimen. 2 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 On 2/23/2018 at 6:49 AM, ynot said: Iron out is an acid that will get into the micro fractures in the pyrite and eat it from the inside (unless it is neutralized after application.). I would not use it on a pyrite specimen. Is oxalic acid suitable to clean pyrite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Oxalic acid is basically the same as Iron Out. Unless you want to destroy your specimen, I would not recommend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I would not us any acid on pyrite. I would use a toothbrush and comet or bon ami to clean. But that is just Me. If You do use acid, make sure to neutralize it after the acid treatment. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, ynot said: I would not us any acid on pyrite. I would use a toothbrush and comet or bon ami to clean. But that is just Me. If You do use acid, make sure to neutralize it after the acid treatment. The reason I asked is because I have comet like stuff that is called bar keepers friend and is supposed to be stainless steel cleaner that I got for cleaning rock samples. Is backing soda a good neutralizer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 39 minutes ago, Malone said: Is backing soda a good neutralizer? Yes, when dissolved in water. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, ynot said: Yes, when dissolved in water. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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