Earendil Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Hello everyone, sorry to be posting so much Florissant fossil quarry material, but I'm going through my collection of foliage and still need these ID'd. Most of these leaves are obviously pretty common, but I can't find some of them in the book Fossils of Florissant. So here they are: 1. Think it's a Fagopsis, but just double checking. 2. Don't really know, feeding traces around the edges. 2 "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 3. Really cool compound leaf: 4. Lots of margin feeding on this one. Morus? Thanks everybody! 3 "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 19 hours ago, yardrockpaleo said: It just occurred to me: could this be a willow? "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 do you have this book? https://www.smithsonianbooks.com/store/science-nature/fossils-florissant/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, jpc said: do you have this book? https://www.smithsonianbooks.com/store/science-nature/fossils-florissant/ Yeah, as I mentioned above, it's helpful, but these guys weren't in there. "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Compare this specimen with: Athyana haydenii MacGinitie, H.D. 1953 Fossil Plants of the Florissant Beds, Colorado. Carnegie Institution of Washington Publication, 599:1-198 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, piranha said: Compare this specimen with: Athyana haydenii MacGinitie, H.D. 1953 Fossil Plants of the Florissant Beds, Colorado. Carnegie Institution of Washington Publication, 599:1-198 Oh wow, that's really similar. Only difference I can spot is the athyana's leaves have sharper edges/serrations (whatever you call them) than mine. "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 And Athyana has been found there a lot according to 'Phytogeography of the late Eocene Florissant flora reconsidered'. "compound leaves of Athyana from Florissant seems reasonable..." "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Actually, I changed my mind. I think I would be very comfortable labeling it Athyana Haydenii after seeing the lowest leaf on the left in the black and white pic. The margins on the leaf have the exact same shape. Ok, thanks @piranha! One down, three to go. "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 For #4 I think we need a clearer photo because I can't tell if it is missing those sections due to feeding or if it is just covered by some paper thin layers “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Just now, Top Trilo said: For #4 I think we need a clearer photo because I can't tell if it is missing those sections due to feeding or if it is just covered by some paper thin layers I can tell you it's feeding marks because of the thickened tissue around the marks, but I will have better pics coming up. "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 Here are the pictures of the really eaten-up one. "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 I think it might be a Morus Symmetrica: "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 With the pictures it is really hard to see if the leaf has been eaten or is covered by more rock but I'll take your word that its eaten. As far as the Morus Symmetrica example you showed, you really have to look at the parts that are complete in your specimen like at the base of the leaf. In the Morus example it is much more flat and perpindicular to the stem (assuming the leaf is perserved completely flat not bent like the right leaf in the example) like a capital T shape but your specimen appears to be more of a Y shape. I'll search through my book and see if I can see any matches but its hard to idenitfy as it is incomplete. 1 “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Top Trilo said: With the pictures it is really hard to see if the leaf has been eaten or is covered by more rock but I'll take your word that its eaten. As far as the Morus Symmetrica example you showed, you really have to look at the parts that are complete in your specimen like at the base of the leaf. In the Morus example it is much more flat and perpindicular to the stem (assuming the leaf is perserved completely flat not bent like the right leaf in the example) like a capital T shape but your specimen appears to be more of a Y shape. I'll search through my book and see if I can see any matches but its hard to idenitfy as it is incomplete. Yeah, I knew it was a long shot with this one. Let me know if you get a match. "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 It may be of the genus staphylea, (on page 107) I Chose that over the family Lauraceae (page 90 because of the thicker stem. #2 looks very similar to an elm leaf, family ulmaceae (page 100) Edit: See image below 1 “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 17 hours ago, Top Trilo said: It may be of the genus staphylea, (on page 107) I Chose that over the family Lauraceae (page 90 because of the thicker stem. #2 looks very similar to an elm leaf, family ulmaceae (page 100) Edit: See image below Yeah, the staphylea makes sense for the eaten-up one. But the other one doesn't quite match ulmaceae. It matches more of a willow, like this living one: "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, yardrockpaleo said: Yeah, the staphylea makes sense for the eaten-up one. But the other one doesn't quite match ulmaceae. It matches more of a willow, like this living one: Can you take a brighter photo of it? I didn't go with willow because the ridges on the edge of the leaf of a willow appear to be much smaller than yours but the secondary veins would help most and they are hard to see in that photo “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 Here's some better pics, including the whole hash plate of it, some spore thing (cercocarpus?), and Koelreuteria Allenii. "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 thanks for the extra photos, I would stick with an elm leaf, one of the major differences between that and the willow is the secondary veins. on the elm leaf they tend to go in a straight line to the edge but in willow leaves, including the live one you showed, they curve up and travel farther down the leaf 1 “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 Okay then, thanks @Top Trilo, 3 down, one to go. @jpc @piranha "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 I suppose I'll post one more here: Supposedly this is seaweed, but I'm not so sure. I haven't found any records about seaweed at Florissant. The shale is exactly 2.8 inches long. Anyone seen anything similar to this? Thanks! "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 I just discovered that leaf #1 is Cercocarpus myricaefolius. Still no luck on finding a single mention of seaweed at Florissant, though. "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, yardrockpaleo said: I just discovered that leaf #1 is Cercocarpus myricaefolius. Still no luck on finding a single mention of seaweed at Florissant, though. doubt it is sea weed but no idea what it is “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earendil Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Top Trilo said: doubt it is sea weed but no idea what it is Yeah, I'm stumped. I went through every plant on the idigpaleo collection (https://idigpaleo.org/, very useful) and I haven't found a match. I need to make a trip up to Florissant... "Its webs of living gauze no more unfurl; Wrecked is the ship of pearl! And every chambered cell, Where its dim dreaming life was wont to dwell" -From The Chambered Nautilus by Oliver Wendell Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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