nala Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 First time i receive a fake fossil fish!looks like a Triassic Fossil Fish In Nodule - Madagascar but in fact plaster and paint ! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Hmm. That's a new one on me. First I've ever seen. Troubling. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Thats gotta be the best fake ive ever seen. Are you sure its fake? RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Wouldn't that just make it a replica? Clearly the anatomy and details are all cast from a real fossil if it is just plaster. But I would agree with RJB. It looks very realistic. Isn't this just a natural cast inside a nodule? Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Something looks off with this Especially the edges Agree with @Fossildude19 - troubling MotM August 2023 - Eclectic Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, LordTrilobite said: Wouldn't that just make it a replica? Clearly the anatomy and details are all cast from a real fossil if it is just plaster. But I would agree with RJB. It looks very realistic. Isn't this just a natural cast inside a nodule? I don't think so. These nodules do not naturally show any kind of white minerals/matrix. Gery's image shows some clearly white areas - I'm guessing he may have scratched them a bit to determine if it is plaster or matrix. 1 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 And also, the mark down the centre of the body. These nodules often have very obvious cracks. This looks filled in 1 1 MotM August 2023 - Eclectic Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 This is one of mine MotM August 2023 - Eclectic Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Yoda said: This is one of mine Yoda, Is that white matrix on yours? Looks white on the upper left of your image Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nala Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) Yes,i think it's probably a cast from a real fossil,totally plaster and paint! and i used acetone to clearly see the white plaster a lot of artistic work! Edited January 18, 2023 by nala 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) A few of mine seem to have a bit of white But just part of the preservation ?? Edited January 18, 2023 by Yoda 1 MotM August 2023 - Eclectic Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phos_01 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, nala said: but in fact plaster and paint Oh thats sad to hear, I must say its a pretty good job, im not an expert in fish material at all, but I would say its real just by looking at it. Perhaps like some said a cast and then painted over it, but it raises the question , why,? is it worth it ? its not that expensive I would imagine. Someone has spend a considerable amount of time painting and building this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nala Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Phos_01 said: Oh thats sad to hear, I must say its a pretty good job, im not an expert in fish material at all, but I would say its real just by looking at it. Perhaps like some said a cast and then painted over it, but it raises the question , why,? is it worth it ? its not that expensive I would imagine. Someone has spend a considerable amount of time painting and building this. this "artistic fossil"came from a old collection and it's true "Someone has spend a considerable amount of time painting and building this. "why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, nala said: this "artistic fossil"came from a old collection and it's true "Someone has spend a considerable amount of time painting and building this. "why? These are relatively easy to get hold of now, but perhaps in the past, they were are lot rarer. So a cast was one way of getting a representative example ? 1 MotM August 2023 - Eclectic Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 If that's a replica, then it's a very good one. The detail seems really good for something that's supposedly made of plaster. Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadrosauridae Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 19 minutes ago, LordTrilobite said: If that's a replica, then it's a very good one. The detail seems really good for something that's supposedly made of plaster. If its fake, its not "made" as in sculpted,, its a casting from a mold. They could crank out dozens a day from a single mold with about a dollar worth of plaster. It's about 95% profit, even if its sold cheap. 1 "There is no shortage of fossils. There is only a shortage of paleontologists to study them." - Larry Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, hadrosauridae said: If its fake, its not "made" as in sculpted,, its a casting from a mold. They could crank out dozens a day from a single mold with about a dollar worth of plaster. It's about 95% profit, even if its sold cheap. I don't think they'd be cranked out by the dozen since the detail quality is really good. The mass produced replicas we often see with Moroccan trilobites don't have no where near this detail. Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadrosauridae Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, LordTrilobite said: I don't think they'd be cranked out by the dozen since the detail quality is really good. The mass produced replicas we often see with Moroccan trilobites don't have no where near this detail. You're confusing details on these. Yes, they can be cranked out that fast. I have molds of fossils I made, and the only aspect to how fast I can produce casts is how fast the epoxy cures.. Details? The detail reproduction of silicone is amazing. I can rub a wood stick across a plastic cup and it will reproduce those micro scratches. Moroccan fake trilobites arent using modern molding and casting processes. They are hand sculpting them, because the people doing it are getting paid pennies and have nothing but time to do it. Two very different processes. "There is no shortage of fossils. There is only a shortage of paleontologists to study them." - Larry Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, hadrosauridae said: You're confusing details on these. Yes, they can be cranked out that fast. I have molds of fossils I made, and the only aspect to how fast I can produce casts is how fast the epoxy cures.. Details? The detail reproduction of silicone is amazing. I can rub a wood stick across a plastic cup and it will reproduce those micro scratches. Moroccan fake trilobites arent using modern molding and casting processes. They are hand sculpting them, because the people doing it are getting paid pennies and have nothing but time to do it. Two very different processes. While I will admit I don't know that much about the process of casting. But the molds reduce in detail quality after using them several times right? That's what I mean with very nice detail. Seems to me a good casting from a detailed mold that hasn't been used all that much. Unless I'm mistaking of course. 1 Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadrosauridae Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 You are mistaken. Molds can be reused many, many times with great detail on the cast. 1 "There is no shortage of fossils. There is only a shortage of paleontologists to study them." - Larry Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 can you post a pic from the other side and have you tried to prick it with a hot needle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phos_01 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, hadrosauridae said: You are mistaken. Molds can be reused many, many times with great detail on the cast Djeezes, there goes my hope for humanity So wrong, you literally cannot trust any fossils these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBkansas Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) On 1/19/2023 at 8:49 AM, LordTrilobite said: I don't think they'd be cranked out by the dozen since the detail quality is really good. The mass produced replicas we often see with Moroccan trilobites don't have no where near this detail. There was a post a while back with rows of identical museum quality (my words) fish fossil casts (3D printed replicas) on a black matrix from a fossil factory in China. The only way you could tell it was fake was that they were all identical. Found it: Edited January 20, 2023 by JBkansas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nala Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, rocket said: can you post a pic from the other side and have you tried to prick it with a hot needle? the other side,and a part i scratch and try to use hot needle and a flame,it's plaster Edited January 20, 2023 by nala 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 @nala Have you approached the seller for a refund ? MotM August 2023 - Eclectic Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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