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Carnivore Skull, Gansu, China

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araucaria1959

Hello,

this is a carnivore skull from China (I bought it many years ago in Germany).

All I know is that it was found in the Gansu area, though I don't know how certain this information is. The overall length is 18 cm. The first pictures are from the left side, the last ones from the right side of the skull. The distal part of the molar on the right side is broken off.

I have an idea what it could be, but I'm not sure. (I'll tell about it later, but I don't want to influence brainstorming with this information at the moment). Any suggestions?

Thanks,

araucaria1959

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jacob

The information that comes with it is invalid but all the skulls are helpful

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araucaria1959

Thanks jacob. I already looked at this website sometime ago hoping to find the ID. However, with all the missunderstandings on this website (to term it carefully), I have difficulties to accept the IDs as correct (though some of them may be). E.g., a tasmanian devil (a marsupial) in the oligocene of China???

Nevertheless, worth to look at, and some beautiful pictures of fossils.

araucaria1959

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RichW9090

Right off the bat, it is a Frankenstein - there are bits and pieces stuck in with reddish-coloured "matirx" slathered on it. Some of the teeth have been added. The basic skull looks like it might be one of the more gracile hyaenas, like Ictidotherium. But I'd really have to clean it up a lot to tell for sure.

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steelhead9

This skull, unfortunately, is such a composited mess that it really is no species at all. The bottom jaw is made up of several different pieces, none of which are original to the upper. Most of the teeth are hyena, but several different species. The back of the skull looks like it could be from a cat, or it could from a hyena tipped at an odd angle when the whole thing was plastered together. Sorry to give you bad news, but it is quite typical of many Chinese skulls.

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RichW9090

Good reference site, Opisthotriton - I hadn't seen that one before. I used to collect pictures of faked Miocene Gansu mammals, but the dealers at Tucson realized that I was only taking pictures of the fakes and started shooing me out of their rooms.

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araucaria1959

Thanks altogether. I'm not actually surprised since I already supposed a significant amount of manipulations. There are many inconsistencies with regard to the anterior dentition (among others), and the skull roof is much too perfect - without any signs of distortion. And the skull was very cheap (far beneath 100 Euro, I can't remember the exact price), much too cheap for a completely authentic skull of that size.

The composite nature of the specimen explains now my difficulties with an ID - my preferred idea was Ictitherium, a gracile hyaena (middle miocene until lower pliocene), common in the fossil record, but there were too many details which didn't fit, though I understand (and agree) that a substantial portion of this composite specimen is of "hyaenid" origin. Nevertheless, for a few euros still an interesting specimen of "fossil artwork" of the "Frankenstein style".

araucaria1959

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rocket

well done fake...

@ opisthotriton. I tried the given link but it´s out of work. Do you know about what happens with the link?

Might be, you have an updated?

thanks

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Tidgy's Dad
Just now, rocket said:

well done fake...

@ opisthotriton. I tried the given link but it´s out of work. Do you know about what happens with the link?

Might be, you have an updated?

thanks

This is a very old thread, links change or get taken down. 

Sadly, Opisthotriton hasn't posted here for well over a year. 

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Fossildude19
3 hours ago, rocket said:

well done fake...

@ opisthotriton. I tried the given link but it´s out of work. Do you know about what happens with the link?

Might be, you have an updated?

thanks

 

 

This might be the Paleodirect link updated.

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rocket

thanxx

that´s real art...

well done fakes

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