saysac Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Found this today. I am not sure if the detail comes through well enough or not, but you can see the grain of whatever specimen this is. Sherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izak_ Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Perhaps some kind of lingula? Interesting find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkinhead Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 maybe a fusilinid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Fish scale, me thinks. 1 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I agree with Auspex - fish scale. The fish I find are often associated with plant remains. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saysac Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Does anyone have a close up image of a fish scale that I can compare? Sherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TqB Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I agree it's a scale - here's one from this forum: http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/29915-fish-scale/ Tarquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Saysac, Try these links. They are not exact matches, but show similar structure. LINK 1 LINK 2 LINK 3 LINK 4 LINK 5 You might consider contacting the AMNH - Dr. John Maisey for ID. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saysac Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Thany you TqB and Tim. These really are similar to what I found. If so, this is pretty awesome for me! I have never found any animal material, just plant. Tim, I do not know what the AMNH is, or how to contact Dr. John Maisey? Sorry, I am new to this. Sherry Sherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Sherry, No worries. AMNH = American Museum of Natural History. John Maisey is a fish expert. He may be able to narrow down the possibilities. E-mail him pictures of this, and the other one you posted a few weeks ago. Regards, Edited August 23, 2015 by Fossildude19 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggieCie Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Another great find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Message Carl; he's our AMNH member. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saysac Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Thank you Tim ziggie and auspex. It will be several days before I can send pics now...my computer died and now only have the kindle. Never a fun time when this happens Sherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggieCie Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocksdale Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Very cool find. Sorry about your computer, Sherry. Hope it's not completely gone and can be revived. I'm adding a picture of a similar one posted by Sherry on 8/8. Is it also a scale? I think this and the other one look like a close match to Strepsodus scales or similar ones I see on the web. Also, I've been doing research with Sherry on the location. It appears to be a deposit in a paleovalley that was cut through Mississippian rock. So it is an isolated pocket of Pennsylvanian fully surrounded by Mississippian rocks that are higher in elevation. I think the upland flora (Megalopteris and Lesleya and others) are "extrabasinal" and were growing atop the Mississippian cliffs but got washed down. The lepidodendron may have been growing in place in the valley. So, it would be interesting how the fish scales fit. Perhaps the paleovalley was a bay or inlet into a large lake or river. Edited August 24, 2015 by Stocksdale Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.–Carl Sagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saysac Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Paul since my computer does not like me right now would you be willing to send these to Carl for his opinion? Sherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Thanks for mentioning that, Paul. I remember posting my belief that is was a fish scale. Glad you brought it up, again. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Paul since my computer does not like me right now would you be willing to send these to Carl for his opinion? I PMed him yesterday. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I'll make sure I show these to Maisey and get back to you all. Stay tuned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Wow: he was fast. Here's what he said: Probably a sarcopt[erygian] scale; could be from a coelacanth. The ornament isn't sufficiently well preserved to tell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggieCie Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I love this Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocksdale Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Wow: he was fast. Here's what he said: Probably a sarcopt[erygian] scale; could be from a coelacanth. The ornament isn't sufficiently well preserved to tell. Great job, Carl. Was that a response on both examples? Or just one? So, I guess that is a pretty broad category, that would include any rhizodontids such as Strepsodus, right? Edited August 24, 2015 by Stocksdale Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.–Carl Sagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Whoops... I'd missed the other specimen. Stand by again. And yep, Strepsodus would be in there, too. Edited August 24, 2015 by Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Just for adding more to this nice find, here: http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/33951-strepsodus-scale-group/ " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Maisey says about that second scale that it could be another scale, could be coelacanth, but that it less-well preserved than the other one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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