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I found a whole shelf of these sand dollar urchins fused in sandstone on the edge of Coronado Island, in the San Diego Bay. Anyone have a clue how old they are?

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I found a whole shelf of these sand dollar urchins fused in sandstone on the edge of Coronado Island, in the San Diego Bay. Anyone have a clue how old they are?

How long ago did you find them?

(Just kidding. I have no idea.)

Info: Craig Hyatt, retired software/electrical engineer

Experience: Beginner, fossil hunting less than a year

Location: Eagle Pass, TX USA on the border with Mexico, hot dry desert

Formation: Escondido, Marine, Upper Cretaceous

Materials: Sandstone, Mudstone, Shale, Chert, Chalk

Typical: Thalassinoides, Sphenodiscus, Exogyra, Inoceramus

Reference: http://txfossils.com/Txfossils.html

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Yeah, I wondered when I found them if they were something akin to vintage last week. In truth, I have specimens from two locations that really were something akin to vintage last week. One was in a very hard-water creek. A red maple leaf was still deteriorating while stuck to a rock, and the water made a perfect outline of a black mineral on a red-yellow stone that is completely fused to the rock! The other was in another spring, hundreds of miles away, that is so heavy in minerals that domes form at a rate of an inch a year. Leaves that fall on the domes are fossilized in a matter of weeks. Oddly enough, also red maple!

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My mistake. Modern sad dollars do have a zillion rigid protrusions, if you meet them when they are alive. I miss-classified.

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Urchin is not a scientific name, just a common name. So is sand dollar but they are not the same thing. They are just one sub-order in one of the orders of the class that includes all urchins. The most obvious protuberances on sand dollars are tube feet and not referred to as spines. Spines are mostly for protection and tube feet are only for locomotion, feeding and respiration.

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It is hard to tell what they are unless they are better exposed. There are fossiliferous formations in the San DIego area back to 75 million years ago in the Cretaceous. The modern looking sand dollars became common in the Eocene.

I have yet to see any rock formations on Coronado. I suppose you might see some when digging for foundations. A large part of Coronado "Island" (actually a peninsula) was filled in with bay dredgings that could have come from any area formations.

See these sites for more info on the fossils and geology:

https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/default/files/legacy/planning/community/cpu/oldtownmidway/pdf/paleontological_resource_assessment_101413.pdf

https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC23QEE_tourmaline-surfing-park-geology?guid=e079c303-f017-441f-97a9-50da321f7237

http://www.sandiegocounty.gov/dplu/docs/Paleo-Guidelines.pdf

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I looked for the available geological maps of the "Coronado Island,"

San Diego Bay area at http://ngmdb.usgs.gov/maps/mapview/ .

There I found:

Kennedy, M.P., and Tan, S.S., 2008, Geologic map of the San Diego

30' x 60' quadrangle, California. Regional Geologic Map No. 3,

California Geological Survey. http://ngmdb.usgs.gov/Prodesc/proddesc_84173.htm

and http://www.quake.ca.gov/gmaps/RGM/sandiego/sandiego.html

PDF file at ftp://ftp.consrv.ca.gov/pub/dmg/pubs/rgm/RGM_003/RGM3_San_Diego_2008_Plate1of2.pdf

and ftp://ftp.consrv.ca.gov/pub/dmg/pubs/rgm/RGM_003/RGM3_San_Diego_2008_Plate2of2.pdf

Pamphlet at ftp://ftp.consrv.ca.gov/pub/dmg/pubs/rgm/RGM_003/RGM3_San_Diego_2008_Pamphlet.pdf

The map shows, Coronado Island as "Qop6," "Qmb," and "af."

According to the map's pamphlet:

af = artificial fill (late Holocene), "Deposits of fill resulting from

human construction, mining, or quarrying activities; includes

compacted engineered and non-compacted, non-engineered fill."

Qmb = Marine beach deposits (late Holocene), "Unconsolidated

beach deposits consisting mostly of fine and medium-grained

sand."

Qop6 = Old paralic deposits, Unit 6 (late to middle Pleistocene),

"Poorly sorted, moderately permeable, reddish-brown,

interfingered strand-line, beach, estuarine and colluvial deposits

composed of siltstone, sandstone and conglomerate.

Yours,

Paul H.

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