oilshale Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 My grandfather was a medical doctor and a well known entomologist. He was specialized on geometrid moths and described several hundred new species. He even has his own short Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Bastelberger . But I don't know the first thing about insects. That's a bit embarrassing - if he knew that, he would turn over in his grave. So I could need a helping hand. I got several insects from the Middle to Late Jurassic of Daohugou / Inner Mongolia, but I have no clue what they are. Any help to nail down the order or family is greatly appreciated! Thanks Thomas Insect 1: 3cm Insect 2: 2cm Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Insect 3: 2.5cm Insect 4: 3cm Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Insect 5: 1.5cm Insect 6: 3cm Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Insect 7: 4cm Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Some very nice insects you've got there oilshale. Im sorry I cant help you with any kind of ID info. Good luck though. RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I wonder what ever happened to @AgrilusHunter ? We could use his expertise here. Great fossils as always, Thomas. Hope someone can help with ID's for you. Tim Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMP Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 China's way out of my area of knowledge, but I think they might be a moth, fly, grasshopper type thing, another grasshopper (?), nymph, grasshopper again, and mayfly/mosquito. Ok I got something. The first one looks like Hadroblattula drepanoides. Five looks like Ephemeropsis trisetalis . Last one could be Sibirobittacus atalus. The grasshoppers might be flies, maybe Protapiocera megista. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 very nice,Thomas!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 hour ago, EMP said: China's way out of my area of knowledge, but I think they might be a moth, fly, grasshopper type thing, another grasshopper (?), nymph, grasshopper again, and mayfly/mosquito. Ok I got something. The first one looks like Hadroblattula drepanoides. Five looks like Ephemeropsis trisetalis . Last one could be Sibirobittacus atalus. The grasshoppers might be flies, maybe Protapiocera megista. Grasshoppers, orthoptera? I don't know - I miss the elongated hindlegs for jumping. But how about cicada, leafhoppers? So far I couldn't find Hadroblattula, but roach seems to be fine. Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMP Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I think it looks like a fly type bug now, but then again I have no real idea about China Maybe the first one is a cicada, but it doesn't look quite right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyg Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 For what it's worth, the last one looks similar to a modern caddis fly of order Trichoptera. Given the size could also be Plecoptera. This would make sense with #5, which looks like possible Odonata nymph. Just food for thought, I know nothing about fossil insects. G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, flyg said: For what it's worth, the last one looks similar to a modern caddis fly of order Trichoptera. Just food for thought, I know nothing about fossil insects. G Yeah, thanks, caddisfly can very well be. Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdsnl Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 This advertorial might be a little useful (you have to scroll down a bit for the pics with ID):http://www.weixinyidu.com/n_1476082 It's pretty lacking but I haven't come across a better guide... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 You might want to check out some of the following: Chang, H., et al. (2009). First Fossil Click Beetles from the Middle Jurassic of Inner Mongolia, China (Coleoptera: Elateridae). Annales Zoologici (Warszawa), 59(1). Cui, Y., et al. (2016). The first fossil salmonfly (Insecta: Plecoptera: Pteronarcyidae), back to the Middle Jurassic. BMC Evolutionary Biology, 16(1). Gu, J., Y-Y Zhao, and D. Ren (2004). New fossil Prophalangopsidae (Orthoptera, Hagloidea) from the Middle Jurassic of Inner Mongolia, China. Zootaxa, 2004.Huang, J., et al. (2007). A New Fossil Genus of Siphlonuridae (Insecta: Ephemeroptera) from the Douhugou, Inner Mongolia, China. Annales Zoologici (Warszawa), 57(2). Khramov, A.V., et al. (2016). Early Green Lacewings (Insecta: Neuroptera: Chrysopidae) from the Jurassic of China and Kazakhstan. Papers in Palaeontology, Vol.2, Part 1. Liu, Q., et al. (2015). Two new species of Kalligrammula Handlirsch, 1919 (Insecta, Neuroptera, Kalligrammatidae) from the Jurassic of China and Kazakhstan. Journal of Paleontology, 89(3). Makarkin, V.V., Q. Yang and D. Ren (2014). A new basal osmylid neuropteran insect from the Middle Jurassic of China linking Osmylidae to the Permian-Triassic Archeosmylidae. Acta Palaeontologica Polonica, 59(1).Nel, A., et al. (2001). A new family of Anisoptera from the Upper Jurassic of Karatau in Kazakhstan (Insecta: Odonata: Juragomphidae n.fam.). Stuttgarter Beitr.Naturk., Ser.B, Number 314.Ren, D. and J.D. Oswald (2002). A new genus of kalligrammatid lacewings from the Middle Jurassic of China (Neuroptera: Kalligrammatidae). Stuttgarter Beitr.Naturk., Ser.B, Number 317. Shi, C., Q. Yang and D. Ren (2011). Two New Fossil Lacewing Species from the Middle Jurassic of Inner Mongolia, China (Neuroptera: Grammolingiidae). Acta Geologica Sinica, Vol.85, Number 2.Sukacheva, I.D. and A.P. Rasnitsyn (2004). Jurassic Insects (Insecta) from the Sai-Sagul Locality (Kyrgyzsan, Southern Fergana). Paleontological Journal, Vol.38, Number 2. Wang, B., et al. (2008). Preliminary elemental analysis of fossil insects from the Middle Jurassic of Daohugou, Inner Mongolia, and its taphonomic implications. Chinese Science Bulletin. Yan, E.V., et al. (2014). The most mysterious beetles: Jurassic Jurodidae (Insecta: Coleoptera) from China. Gondwana Research, 25.Zhao, J.-X., D. Ren and C. Shih (2010). Enigmatic earwig-like fossils from Inner Mongolia, China. Insect Science, 17. -Joe 2 Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 The little egg-like individuals are conchostracans, with dispersal to Inner Mongolia, but you probably know this. Here's a document related to that, although is referring to the Lower Cretaceous (Albian) Jehol Biota ecosystem which is considered (by some scientists) to have evolved from the Daohugou Biota. 1 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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