Crazyhen Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Subsequent to my earlier post of a "baby" dinosaur, I have finally obtained more photos of the other dinosaur specimen. This specimen is more complete and is also collected from the same locality at Ganzhou, Jiangxi of China. Any idea what species is that? The previous link to "baby dinosaur" is http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/80752-baby-dinosaur/&tab=comments#comment-851276 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Hmm... Interesting. That is one cool looking fossil! I don't know much about dinosaur fossils (or amphibian/reptile fossils), but the vertebrae in the 4th picture look like they are amphibian or snake vertebrae. Just shape-wise, they are kinda similar to this greater siren (Siren lacertina) (these look similar to snake vertebrae) vertebra. Here is one from my collection: Of course they are not exactly similar. Yours are a lot more stretched out. But I do see some shape similarity, and to me your vertebrae look more amphibian or reptile to me than dinosaur. Also, the skull doesn't look very dinosaurian to me, but also more like an amphibian or reptile skull. So I say that what you have there is more likely an amphibian or reptile fossil than dinosaur. Compare it with this Fedexia striegeli skull I saw online: I will tag @LordTrilobite, @Troodon and @hxmendoza, as they know much more about dinosaur fossils than me and will be able to give a better opinion on your fossil than me. Best regards, Max 3 Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izak_ Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Ceratopsian? Looks like it has a frill imo. I think the skull bares most resemblance to a Xenomorph though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Hm, an interesting critter. It seems it's been a bit butchered in prepping. It does look very complete though. The skull is visible from the dorsal and right lateral side in these photos. The supratemporal fenestra visible on the top back of the skull tell us that this is a diapsid reptile. So not an amphibian. It doesn't look very dinosaurian to me though. The back of the skull is a little smooshed, but the snout still seems to be mostly intact. Though there are exceptions, if it were dinosaurian you'd expect the antorbital fenestra. And this doesn't really look like those dinosaurs that have the antorbital fenestra closed. Which makes me think this is a lizard or a lizard-like animal. But this really needs professional prep to learn more. 6 Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 38 minutes ago, LordTrilobite said: Hm, an interesting critter. It seems it's been a bit butchered in prepping. It does look very complete though. The skull is visible from the dorsal and right lateral side in these photos. The supratemporal fenestra visible on the top back of the skull tell us that this is a diapsid reptile. So not an amphibian. It doesn't look very dinosaurian to me though. The back of the skull is a little smooshed, but the snout still seems to be mostly intact. Though there are exceptions, if it were dinosaurian you'd expect the antorbital fenestra. And this doesn't really look like those dinosaurs that have the antorbital fenestra closed. Which makes me think this is a lizard or a lizard-like animal. But this really needs professional prep to learn more. Does it look like a Captorhinid reptile to you? I am not certain if Captorhinids have ever been found in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Crazyhen said: Does it look like a Captorhinid reptile to you? I am not certain if Captorhinids have ever been found in China. Those don't have open supratemporal fenestra. So no I don't think it looks like those. 3 Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Are these cretaceous deposits? Can you take a picture looking directly at the skull and like the other a real closeups of the teeth. What is the size of what we are looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead9 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Too bad the skull is so ground off. Makes a positive id pretty difficult. Still Life Fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Troodon said: Are these cretaceous deposits? Can you take a picture looking directly at the skull and like the other a real closeups of the teeth. What is the size of what we are looking at? 30x28cm. I’m not sure if it’s Cretaceous deposits but it’s from Ganzhou of Jiangxi. I will ask my friend to take a close up photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 If not Cretaceous what are the other possibilities ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Troodon said: If not Cretaceous what are the other possibilities ? Ganzhou belongs to Late Cretaceous Nanxiong Formation of Nankang County. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Lots of chinese books out there on Chinese Paleontology. May want to see if any have revelance to your interest. http://www.hceis.com/home/book_list.aspx?class_b_id=170 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, Troodon said: Lots of chinese books out there on Chinese Paleontology. May want to see if any have revelance to your interest. http://www.hceis.com/home/book_list.aspx?class_b_id=170 Thanks, Troodon. That’s really useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haravex Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I don't feel I can comment too much to this post except for one thing whoever is doing the prep work needs to stop they are damaging it beyond repair in my honest opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Haravex said: I don't feel I can comment too much to this post except for one thing whoever is doing the prep work needs to stop they are damaging it beyond repair in my honest opinion. I agree. This needs professional prep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Here is what Haravex is talking about. The skull is no longer a nice skull but it is riddled with tool marks. It is ruined. I have circled nice bone texture in green and trashed bone textured in blue. Who know how much more than the surface has been removed? And in the second photo I have circled in yellow where I see tool marks going right through the bones. This needs professional prep. Have I said that before? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 It’s really a pity that the fossil was uncovered with such damages. No fine prepping work, the fossil was dug up and the covered matrix was partly removed roughly and carelessly by workers with no training and experience. This is sadly what’s going on. I am asking for teeth photos and hopefully it’d shed some light on the identity of this fossil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 This should go to a museum, if the person who has it doesn't have the skills to prepare it properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Close-up photos of the head and teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Sadly, the first two pictures show a row of broken off teeth. We need much closer pix of the teeth in the third photo to get an idea of what they look like. These pix show the badly prepped skull very well. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 My God, that prep makes me woozy with despair... A fine, fine specimen has been brutalized. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Carl is much better at saying what I want to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Sad since it's such a rare specimen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Ugh, indeed. Exactly what Carl said. Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekky Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I think the top part or the skull is carved in the rock and painted tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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