Fossilcollector Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Doing my part to help save a classic fossil site: The UBC Quarry of West Paterson, NJ is going to be turned into highrise condos. In order to try to prevent this, there's a petition going around to save the quarry and turn it into a park/preserve: http://gopetition.com/online/32326.html "The UBC Quarry in West Paterson, NJ has been a unique fossil locality for scientific research and spectacular fossils from the Passaic formation in the Early Jurassic period of NJ since the 1960's. Many discoveries over the years have yielded a great deal of knowledge to the scientific community in the area of trace fossils (ichnology) during this unique time period. Large museums and universities have done research projects and collected at the quarry to add to their collections and preserve these fossils. Ironically most of the fossils from this quarry are in private hands and not in a museum for folks to enjoy. The quarry was once an active quarry for many years but now has been sold to a developer to create high end condos that overlook NYC. " -Yinan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron E. Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I'm #237. C'mon, gang, we're gonna need more than that! BTW, I'll likely never visit the fossil site, but I'm still PO'ed over Palisades Park being turned into condos. Remember the comic book ads, Boomers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenixflood Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I'm on there too! It only takes a few of us The soul of a Fossil Hunter is one that is seeking, always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micropterus101 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I'm on there too! It only takes a few of us Really makes me sick. trading history for condos sheesh :notfair: #250 fossil crabs website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I've sign(ed) it and I am going to give link to my friends. Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 ok, so, this is privately owned property, right? and you're wanting to take it away from the property owner who bought it so that you can have done with it what you want done with it, right? are you going to buy it from the owner? i'm just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron E. Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 ok, so, this is privately owned property, right? and you're wanting to take it away from the property owner who bought it so that you can have done with it what you want done with it, right? are you going to buy it from the owner? i'm just sayin... I'll take the bait... If it's irresponsible use, yes. E.g. houses on the Historic Register are protected from destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 With the new-housing market the way it is, the developer might do well to accept a "takings" settlement and go on about their business elsewhere. 'Course, that means that you, the taxpayer, will have to pay for it. A compromise might be possible through a conservation easement, with development on only part of the land; the size of the parcel vs. the number of build-able lots would determine whether that was a viable option. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I'll take the bait... If it's irresponsible use, yes. E.g. houses on the Historic Register are protected from destruction. hmm, i can more or less guarantee that if i were aware of how you use all of your belongings, i'd think that at least part of it is "irresponsible" and want to take stuff from you and use it more responsibly myself. by the way, whose definition of "responsibly" are we going to use? guess we could go with "majority" vote. are there more people who love fossils or condos? hey, a better question! since we all know that fossils are cooler and more important than property rights, but there's too much property with fossils on it to take it all away from all owners, who gets to decide which properties get taken? the scientific community, the dealers, the avocational paleo people, or those in a special category of one - the best example of which would be me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigade Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Just got the signatures up to 269. Don't know if anyone else from over the water in the UK has signed. Always glad to help a good cause. Regards Ade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron E. Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 A compromise might be possible through a conservation easement, with development on only part of the land; the size of the parcel vs. the number of build-able lots would determine whether that was a viable option. Now THAT's a solution! Obviously, you don't work for the government. Too much intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron E. Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 hmm, i can more or less guarantee that if i were aware of how you use all of your belongings, i'd think that at least part of it is "irresponsible" and want to take stuff from you and use it more responsibly myself. by the way, whose definition of "responsibly" are we going to use? guess we could go with "majority" vote. are there more people who love fossils or condos? hey, a better question! since we all know that fossils are cooler and more important than property rights, but there's too much property with fossils on it to take it all away from all owners, who gets to decide which properties get taken? the scientific community, the dealers, the avocational paleo people, or those in a special category of one - the best example of which would be me. Plagiarized from Wikipedia: In literature, the jester is symbolic of common sense and of honesty, notably in King Lear, the court jester is a character used for insight and advice on the part of the monarch, taking advantage of his license to mock and speak freely to dispense frank observations and highlight the folly of his monarch. This presents a clashing irony as a "greater" man could dispense the same advice and find himself being detained in the dungeons or even executed. Only as the lowliest member of the court can the jester be the monarch's most useful adviser. You make some derned valid points, my friend T. But somewhere, in the middle, lies the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fig rocks Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Being from Canada I don't feel qualified to be signing a petition telling someone in another country what to do with their land. I know as a Canadian I wouldn't appreciate someone from another part of the world telling me what to do in my own country. :judge: That's the nice thing about each country still having their own sovereignty (at least for a little while longer anyway) IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenorb Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 i signed. Am new, but hope that it does get saved so sometime in near future I may get there to do some hunting of my own Thanks for link Gino~ May you live as long as you want, and never want as long as you live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 darn. r.e., you got me. <sigh> snoopy-shashaying sideways out of the topic.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron E. Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Being from Canada I don't feel qualified to be signing a petition telling someone in another country what to do with their land. I know as a Canadian I wouldn't appreciate someone from another part of the world telling me what to do in my own country. :judge: That's the nice thing about each country still having their own sovereignty (at least for a little while longer anyway) IMHO That's a good point, my other good friend Fig. That's why I cut China a lot of slack (but not too much). They were told how to behave by the rest of the world for a long time... In th meantime, I still think there's CARP going on over there that's just bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron E. Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 darn. r.e., you got me. <sigh> snoopy-shashaying sideways out of the topic.> One of my proudest moments. Not too many "get" tracer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 One of my proudest moments. Not too many "get" tracer. Sometimes I get him, I think, maybe... "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFossilHunter Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I just want to let you that preservation and detail definition of the fossils in this quarry is amazing. i've collected there. I've never seen better preserved tracks from any other location, and I have seen thousands of tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acryzona Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Count me in as #1970. Good luck! Collecting Microfossils - a hobby concerning much about many of the little paraphrased from Dr. Robert Kesling's book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) ok, so, this is privately owned property, right? and you're wanting to take it away from the property owner who bought it so that you can have done with it what you want done with it, right? are you going to buy it from the owner? i'm just sayin... I signed it and i hope many more people do. So Tracer when the government comes in and forces you to sell your land at what they think it is worth just so they can build a highway, is that ok? Because that is what they did to a good friend of mine. And what little money he did get he surly lost in the value of his home. Not to many people like to buy homes that have highways running through their front yard. 99% of the land here is privately owned. If they have the right to force you to sell to build a road then i would say yes they have the right to make a park out of the property. By the way, was every battle field or state park owned by the state in the beginning,i think not. And do you think they asked the landowner if they can buy it, again i think not. They probably told them there is historical significance to your land, and we are buying it off you. And i for one am glad they did, I love parks and battle fields. Not to many places have dinosaurs tracks still in the ground, if it became a park i would love to go see it. They have been buying (forcing people to sell) private property for years to better the community. Besides they are not taking it away, they are buying it from them. At least that is what they told my friend. Btw I use that road they built in front of my friends house all the time. It is a popular road to get you to the shore towns and lessen the traffic on the weekends through a lot of towns. So do i feel bad for him, yes. I am i glad they build the road, yes. Edit- I know i am a little late on this topic but i dont really come to this Board (General Fossil Discussion) and i wanted to see what all this hub-bub was about it. I like it the way it is and hope you don't change it. Edited January 2, 2010 by Just Bob "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleoPutz Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Eminent domain = No such thing as property rights..... If you follow Carl Sagan at all we might find that "property" will be a thing of the past soon anyway. Did universities and museums weigh in on this? Any updates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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