Roland Emmerich Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I am making a book showing evreyone that dinosauria is part of squamata. You will realize all of you are wrong when it comes to dinosaurs (thats how good it will be), I want to challenge pre concived notions and fill them with new ones. If you want to have a conversation with me that would be great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 What evidence do you have to support such a claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thecosmilia Trichitoma Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 What are your credentials, and what research have you done to make this point? Pretty much all paleontologists agree that this is not true, and I don’t know of any sort of evidence that would change this. 3 It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt -Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thecosmilia Trichitoma Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Roland Emmerich said: dinosaurs are lizards This is not true. Dinosaurs where originally thought to be lizard like creatures, but this idea has long since been discredited. Many theropod dinosaurs had feathers and were probably warm blooded. To distinguish theropods from birds, the terms “avian dinosaurs” and “non avian dinosaurs” are used. This misconception largely comes from Hollywood dinosaur movies, and is not in any way true. 4 It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt -Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsnake Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Will this be a peer-reviewed book? Perhaps begin with a more focused peer-reviewed article first. 1 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolmt Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Hmmm....so that lizard I used to own was really a dinosaur.........who'd a thunk it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Moved to GENERAL FOSSIL DISCUSSION. Geology was not the proper subforum for this. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Roland Emmerich said: dinosaurs are lizards Stating this as fact without any kind of context or evidence is rather unscientific. 5 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabRatKing Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 As I read this, I’m feasting from the carcass of a large chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Andy- Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Tell us more about you and what led you to such a conclusion. Also, are you currently with any museum or research institution? Looking forward to meeting my fellow Singaporean collectors! Do PM me if you are a Singaporean, or an overseas fossil-collector coming here for a holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Giving this guy the benefit of the doubt.. don't forget that Bakker wrote "The Dinosaur Heresies" as a non-peer reviewed book. And Chuck D's "On the origin of species by means of natural selection". I have also seen a lot of simply crackpot theories published as books. I have seen enough evidence that dinosaurs are not lizards. Mosasaurs, yes. This will take some serious work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Roland Emmerich said: I am making a book showing evreyone that dinosauria is part of squamata. You will realize all of you are wrong when it comes to dinosaurs (thats how good it will be), I want to challenge pre concived notions and fill them with new ones. If you want to have a conversation with me that would be great! Are we to assume that you are Roland Emmerich? Or just a fan...? You have made an assertion; and as others have mentioned, what can you offer to support it? If you offered any detailed support of your assertion on a public forum, would it undercut the marketing impact of pivotal points in your book? (Comments on the same assertion in another topic have been merged into this topic to avoid a confusing split discussion.) 6 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pemphix Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 12 hours ago, Roland Emmerich said: dinosauria is part of squamata. Seriously ? Nooo, i think you are joking...aren't you ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pemphix Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 7 hours ago, JohnJ said: You have made an assertion; and as others have mentioned, what can you offer to support it? If you offered any detailed support of your assertion on a public forum, would it undercut the marketing impact of pivotal points in your book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 15 hours ago, Roland Emmerich said: If you want to have a conversation with me that would be great! Hard to do without facts! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I want to see this evidence because currently there is some strong evidence that says they are more related to birds but I want to see the lizard evidence. There have been dinosaurs that have been fossilized in Germany with feathers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx#:~:text=Archaeopteryx (%2Fˌɑːrkiː,feathered dinosaurs and modern birds. Also if you just look at theropod footprints, and then compare them to bird footprints There are obvious similarites so try to prove us wrong. “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Top Trilo said: I want to see this evidence because currently there is some strong evidence that says they are more related to birds but I want to see the lizard evidence. There have been dinosaurs that have been fossilized in Germany with feathers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx#:~:text=Archaeopteryx (%2Fˌɑːrkiː,feathered dinosaurs and modern birds. Also if you just look at theropod footprints, and then compare them to bird footprints There are obvious similarites so try to prove us wrong. This is a flawed argument. While I am not taking the OP's side, yes dinosaurs are closely related to birds, but the way it sits, birds evolved from dinosaurs. The 'author' is trying to convince us that dinosaurs are lizards. Birds being dinosaurs, and dinosaur being lizards are not mutually exclusive. They can both be true. If so, then we can say that birds are now lizards. Waiting for the book.... Thanks, JohnJ for pointing out that the writer might be a famous film-maker... or not. I was not familiar with this name. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erose Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Hmm...crickets, or maybe a different time zone? Hope this stays interesting and doesn't go down the rabbit hole. We may all learn something as points are made and argued. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 hours ago, erose said: Hmm...crickets, or maybe a different time zone? Hope this stays interesting and doesn't go down the rabbit hole. We may all learn something as points are made and argued. Agreed, I can't wait to see the evidence “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Emmerich Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 20 hours ago, JohnJ said: Are we to assume that you are Roland Emmerich? Or just a fan...? You have made an assertion; and as others have mentioned, what can you offer to support it? If you offered any detailed support of your assertion on a public forum, would it undercut the marketing impact of pivotal points in your book? (Comments on the same assertion in another topic have been merged into this topic to avoid a confusing split discussion.) No, I am not Roland Emmerich. I am german, but my true name is Alexander Adler. I just like he's films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Emmerich Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 21 hours ago, -Andy- said: Tell us more about you and what led you to such a conclusion. Also, are you currently with any museum or research institution? No, oh I know an Indian singaporean, you familiar with the user Greyideas at all? I saw that he was on ths fourm but had seen he had not posted in months. I know him as he helped me make a video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Emmerich Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 21 hours ago, -Andy- said: Tell us more about you and what led you to such a conclusion. Also, are you currently with any museum or research institution? I dont work at any museum. I am going to start collage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, Roland Emmerich said: I dont work at any museum. I am going to start collage You can be lauded for your ambition, but this should be tempered by the long, prosaic, patient process of education and focus on fundamentals. For instance, your very big claim might require very methodical cladistic analysis, which has become much more the gold standard for showing classificatory relationships in an empirically justifiable way that will be more convincing because there would be a dataset to be used for testability. In most academic pursuits, it is much more preferable to opt for modesty. That is, rather than begin with an extraordinary claim such as stating conclusively, making dinosaurs and lizards equivalent, simply ask why they are not. Science is not about proof, which is the domain of deductive disciplines like math or philosophy. Empirical (inductive) science is about falsifiability and testing hypotheses. 7 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Roland Emmerich said: I dont work at any museum. I am going to start collage While I applaud your lofty goals, it seems to me to be a bit premature to state things as facts, when no supporting evidence is presented. If you cannot provide evidence to support your statement, then I suggest you hold off making proclamations until you have developed a solid base of evidence to present to us. 4 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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