Kayak-IA Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Hello Folks! I have an Iowa river find. I am fairly certain this is a wolf vertebrae fossil. This was found in an area rich in Pleistocene Era fossils. What I do not know is how to distinguish between a Gray Wolf and Dire Wolf vertebrae. The Dire Wolf vertebrae should be a bit larger than a Gray Wolf vertebrae but I cannot find a source for actual dimensions. Thank for looking. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 It is a mammal cervical. What makes you think dog? Could it be deer, or cat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayak-IA Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 Paleontologist from University identified it as Dire or Gray Wolf. Before that, other professional trader examined bone and said most likely Dire Wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayak-IA Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 This vertebrae is unlike any deer or elk vertebrae and does not resemble any image of cat vertebrae I have looked into. It does look exactly like the one and only Dire Wolf vertebrae image I have found and very much like a gray wolf image I have found (if you can trust past internet seller's images). University expert noted that there is a bit of difference in the size of the Dire and Gray Wolf vertebrae. I have had no luck finding a research or other paper on this but my resources are limited to Google searches when it comes to wolves. The La Brea Tar Pits scientists might have 3D imagery and dimensions as they have found a huge number of Dire Wolf bones but I do not know of any way to access. I guess my question comes down to "is there a resource someone knows of that might provide some answers?" I could ask this same question more generally about Pleistocene and Holocene bone identification. A list of potential resources or helpful publications on this would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 @piranha the king of sharing publications. Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Thanks for answering my question. I agree with your answer. A good source of modern bones is this https://www.amazon.com/Mammalian-Osteology-B-M-Gilbert/dp/0943414717 These can be expanded into Pleistocene, but I don't know if it incudes cervical verts. In any case this is a good book for learning about mammal bones in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayak-IA Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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