Second ID post, more SC finds

[CarrieB]

Please be patient as I learn how to do this. Here is the fossil that should have gone with that info: I believe this is a mammal tooth (maybe Raccoon?) but it appears broken so that may impact identification.

 

[It comes from an estate collection I acquired last year, all unidentified but labeled as coming from Edisto Beach, SC on dates ranging from the late 1970s through the early 1990s.]

[Danielb]

To big for raccoon. Looks canid, possibly nimravid. @Shellseeker@Harry Pristis

Edited February 17 by Danielb

[Fossildude19]

Cropped and brightened a bit:

 

 

[CarrieB]

1 hour ago, Fossildude19 said:

Cropped and brightened a bit:

 

 

Thank you! I need to practice improving my photos - this looks so much better! 

[Shellseeker]

Carrie,  Welcome to TFF..  Great looking tooth... it is called a carnassial,  a meat chewing tooth in the center of a predator's jaw.  In order to figure which predator,  we will need an exact measurement.  It seems just short of an inch , which equals 25.4 mm.  but is that 22 or 23 or 24... Please measure and tell us which is correct.  Thanks

[CarrieB]

2 hours ago, Danielb said:

To big for raccoon. Looks canid, possibly nimravid. @Shellseeker@Harry Pristis

Fascinating! Admittedly, I had to research the nimravid and now I am interested to learn a bit more. Most of my hunting has been for shark teeth specifically, so the mammal fossils in this person’s collection from Edisto SC that I bought are opening up a whole new territory of identification for me. Since I will be traveling there myself in June I want to start identifying more from that collection, as a means of expanding my knowledge base in advance. I welcome the nimravid to my mental menagerie

[CarrieB]

13 minutes ago, Shellseeker said:

Carrie,  Welcome to TFF..  Great looking tooth... it is called a carnassial,  a meat chewing tooth in the center of a predator's jaw.  In order to figure which predator,  we will need an exact measurement.  It seems just short of an inch , which equals 25.4 mm.  but is that 22 or 23 or 24... Please measure and tell us which is correct.  Thanks

I would say 24mm, but I’m uncertain whether I have the tooth angled correctly to take the measurement. I am attaching a picture to show how I have placed it on the ruler. 

[Fossildude19]

53 minutes ago, CarrieB said:

Thank you! I need to practice improving my photos - this looks so much better! 

 

It's a learning curve. No worries. We don't judge here.

The trick is to have them big enough to show detail, and small enough to fit in the post.

.jpg format is best. Crop out the unnecessary bits, and focus on the fossil itself.

I think your pictures are pretty good, for starters.

 

You are doing fine. If you want some pointers, there are some pinned topics that can help. When you get a chance, have a look at those. 

 

LINK 1

LINK 2

[Shellseeker]

Carrie, 

Basically we will explore wolves and cats... Below is a jaw of one of the biggest wolves , called the Dire wolf,  retrieved from the La Brea tar pits.  The Carnassials are the 2 big teeth (one upper , one lower) to the back of the jaw.  For Dire wolf , these tend to measure over 30 mm in length.  So we then take a look at smaller teeth and smaller wolves. 

The next larger tooth besides the 2 carnassials is the lower p4.

I have found one of those: and it is in the range of 20-22 mm. If you look on the left side , you can see this tooth in the skull below.   It also looks different with those bumps that the tooth you have. So a first impression is that you do not have a Dire Wolf Tooth

 

 

So moving to smaller members of the Canid fossil family, Canis Edwardi or Edward's wolf.

Here is a lower Jaw with a Carnassial m1 that is .85 inches or 22 mm. 

I get the feeling that Canis Latrans... coyote may have teeth in the 22-24 mm range also.

 

In this thread,  @Harry Pristis provided some measurements of this lower m1 tooth... for a number of canids in the fossil record.

https://www.thefossilforum.com/topic/135850-wolf-jaw-bone/#comment-1442400

"

QUATERNARY CANIDS
LENGTH OF m1 (lower carnassial)

‎Canis lupus (avg. of 62 male individuals) …………………....… 28.53 mm‎
Canis lupus (avg. of 47 female individuals) …………….…….… 27.07 mm‎
Canis latrans (avg. of 22 Western individuals)……….………... 23.13 mm‎
Canis rufus (avg. of 3 Eastern individuals) …….………….…... 26.60 mm‎
Canis edwardii (av‎g. of 4 Western individuals) ….……………..24.65 mm
Aenocyon (Canis) dirus (avg. of 15 Western individuals) ….…..35.33 mm

adapted from:
NORTH AMERICAN QUATERNARY CANIS
Ronald M. Nowack
Monograph Number 6, 1979
Univ. of Kansas Museum of Natural History "

 

So,  we might have a couple of candidates for this tooth ,  Canis Latrans and Canis edwardii.