ID Help with Small Seed Fern

[flowntheloop]

Northeast Alabama. Pottsville Formation.

Beautiful (and tiny) fern fossils I found a couple of days ago. I would love some help with an ID (or even someone to point me to a guide)! Photos are from my cell phone, but I plan on taking more with a better camera this week

Edited February 21 by flowntheloop
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[Fossildude19]

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[fiddlehead]

In my opinion you have two plants here. Both are clearly seen in the bottom picture. The rounded heavily carbonized and inflated pinnules with the fine and indistinct venation is Eusphenopteris neuropteroides. The elongated pinnules with distinct venation is a neuropterid. From the venation, small size and the shape of the terminal pinnule, it best conforms to Laveineopteris rarinervis. If you are still interested, the guide I would recommend is: A COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE TO THE FOSSIL FLORA OF MAZON CREEK... of course.

 

Hope this helps,

Jack

Edited February 21 by fiddlehead
Book name incorrect

[flowntheloop]

6 minutes ago, fiddlehead said:

In my opinion you have two plants here. Both are clearly seen in the bottom picture. The rounded heavily carbonized and inflated pinnules with the fine and indistinct venation is Eusphenopteris neuropteroides. The elongated pinnules with distinct venation is a neuropterid. From the venation, small size and the shape of the terminal pinnule, it best conforms to Laveineopteris rarinervis. If you are still interested, the guide I would recommend is: A COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE TO THE FOSSIL FAUNA OF MAZON CREEK... of course.

 

Hope this helps,

Jack

I really appreciate your input, Jack! They do look quite different!

I will look into that book! Thank you so much!

[Rockin' Ric]

I use this website as a guide often, even though these seed fern ID'S originate from another country. It was the Carboniferous Period there as was in my state

 

https://steurh.home.xs4all.nl/engibb/eibbvarn.html

[flowntheloop]

43 minutes ago, Rockin' Ric said:

I use this website as a guide often, even though these seed fern ID'S originate from another country. It was the Carboniferous Period there as was in my state

 

https://steurh.home.xs4all.nl/engibb/eibbvarn.html

This is a wonderful guide! Thank you, RIc!

[Mark Kmiecik]

2 hours ago, Rockin' Ric said:

I use this website as a guide often, even though these seed fern ID'S originate from another country. It was the Carboniferous Period there as was in my state

 

https://steurh.home.xs4all.nl/engibb/eibbvarn.html

 

This was a wonderful tool in its time. Nowadays, a bit outdated, as many of the players are wearing different hats. A large portion of them have been reclassified by Jack Wittry (fiddlehead on this forum) and others. Go with Jack's book, otherwise you'll need to relearn a whole lot of names you could have gotten right on the first try. 

[flowntheloop]

14 hours ago, Mark Kmiecik said:

 

This was a wonderful tool in its time. Nowadays, a bit outdated, as many of the players are wearing different hats. A large portion of them have been reclassified by Jack Wittry (fiddlehead on this forum) and others. Go with Jack's book, otherwise you'll need to relearn a whole lot of names you could have gotten right on the first try. 

good to know  thanks!