Othniel C. Marsh Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Pictured below is an otolith from an indeterminate cetacean, from the Miocene of the Calvert Cliffs Formation. I've had this particular specimen in my collection for some time, but was under the impression that otoliths weren't diagnostic to any degree, but my research surrounding cetacean dentition for a dolphin tooth I plan to purchase soon has proved otherwise, so I thought it would be worth putting it to the experts. Unfortunately I can't find my ruler to provide a sense of scale for the photos, but the specimen is approximately 4cm long and 1.5cm tall. Thanks in advance for any proposals as to the origin of the fossil Othniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 @Boesse Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted coulianos Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 worn dophin typmpanic bone; pretty non-descript, can't really be i.d.'d beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Lover Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Bobby has a guide on IDing ear bones at: https://coastalpaleo.blogspot.com/2022/12/bobbys-guide-to-whale-dolphin-earbones.html?m=1 Fin Lover My favorite things about fossil hunting: getting out of my own head, getting into nature and, if I’m lucky, finding some cool souvenirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Bone being a key distinction. Otoliths are another thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othniel C. Marsh Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 13 hours ago, Fin Lover said: Bobby has a guide on IDing ear bones at: https://coastalpaleo.blogspot.com/2022/12/bobbys-guide-to-whale-dolphin-earbones.html?m=1 Much appreciated, Fin Lover. 12 hours ago, Rockwood said: Bone being a key distinction. Otoliths are another thing. I didn't know the two were distinct, but a quick Google search indicates as such. The specimen was sold as the latter, but evidently I had been misled. Thanks for pointing that out, Rockwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Hi, I think the term otolith refers to bony fish. Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Coco said: Hi, I think the term otolith refers to bony fish. Coco You'd have to include us humans as bony fish. But as you know, it's not that much of a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahnmut Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) Enter the smart asinine perissodactyl... Sorry, I cannot help it. Not a stretch at all, as cladistically we (and Cetacea) are included in bony fish, with tetrapodomorpha inside sarcopterygii... ( as you probably more subtly than me implied, Rockwood). Otoliths are the tiny "stones" inside the vestibular organ whose reaction to gravity and other accelerations enables our sense of balance and orientation. Cetoliths on the other hand are the part of the skull surrounding that system (Bulla tympany), homologous to the petrosal (or parts of it?), in whales unlike most other mammals not bonewise connected to the skull. The often used term "whale earbone" is , at least in German, easy to confuse even further with the ossicles of the ear (malleus, incus and stapes, "Gehörknöchelchen") ) that improve hearing in mammals. That otoliths are associated with fish may stem from the fact that there are otoliths in fish that are quite enormous in relation to the animal in question, making it more comon to find them as fossils or beach finds. (Actually I have never seen a mammal otolith other than in microscopic pictures and anatomical drawings.) And I believe I remember that Coco owns a respactable collection of fish otoliths? Best regards, J Edited March 22 by Mahnmut spelling 1 Try to learn something about everything and everything about something Thomas Henry Huxley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 27 minutes ago, Mahnmut said: Enter the smart asinine perissodactyl... I was well into the post when I finally got the translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 @Mahnmut yes, have a look on my signature Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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