Newbie77 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Hello fellow paleontology buffs! I have recently returned from a trip to the Venice area where I did some surface/ beach sifting for fossils. I need to get out and dive there next time. I would love to have some help identifying fossils that are tripping me up. I recognize that there are a LOT of them. Sorry!!! I organized them on to a PDF because there were a lot to look at, but please let me know if it does not open up and I will upload them as images instead. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 10 Author Share Posted April 10 (edited) Also, I did not note it on the PDF, but I was thinking that maybe the fossils 29-33 were partial horse teeth. May be off base though. Edited April 10 by Newbie77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Please post photos in .JPG format. No one wants to download a PDF from unknown sources. 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 10 Author Share Posted April 10 Ok let's see if this works! Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 10 Author Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, Newbie77 said: Also, I did not note it on the PDF, but I was thinking that maybe the fossils 29-33 were partial horse teeth. May be off base though. I fixed this in the jpg images below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balance Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 So many… 35: tapir - yes. 34: I call these “frags”. Probably mammoth or mastodon 29-33 : look to be worn frags 28: mastodon or rhino. Looks like HSB’s. 27: that’s probably as much as you can tell 26: ?? Where’s Jack? Maybe a worn whale tooth? 25: maybe antler or mammoth chunk 24: mastadon frag 22/23: HemiPristis Serra 21: need better pics. 20: suggestive pebble rock Im out. Sharks teeth are not in my pay grade yet. ok…. If you have access to apps of any kind you should be able to find “layout” and “Phonto”. Layout will let you, lay out grids to an obscure level. Phonto lets you type on your pictures. Make a layout and label it. 😊 Hapoy to assist further if needed. Just message. Here’s a grid and I used Phonto to put the names above the bones. Jp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Lover Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 I suspect that better pictures will be needed of the shark teeth, as they are blurry when you zoom in. @hemipristis is good at telling the Carcharhinus species apart. 13 minutes ago, Balance said: 22/23: HemiPristis Serra 22 definitely doesn't look like a Hemi to me. I doubt that 23 is, either, but it's blurry. 1 Fin Lover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 13 minutes ago, Balance said: So many… 35: tapir - yes. 34: I call these “frags”. Probably mammoth or mastodon 29-33 : look to be worn frags 28: mastodon or rhino. Looks like HSB’s. 27: that’s probably as much as you can tell 26: ?? Where’s Jack? Maybe a worn whale tooth? 25: maybe antler or mammoth chunk 24: mastadon frag 22/23: HemiPristis Serra 21: need better pics. 20: suggestive pebble rock Im out. Sharks teeth are not in my pay grade yet. ok…. If you have access to apps of any kind you should be able to find “layout” and “Phonto”. Layout will let you, lay out grids to an obscure level. Phonto lets you type on your pictures. Make a layout and label it. 😊 Hapoy to assist further if needed. Just message. Here’s a grid and I used Phonto to put the names above the bones. Jp Thank you SO much! I really appreciate your input. I will also absolutely check out those apps to make uploading easier and less cumbersome for everyone involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, Fin Lover said: I suspect that better pictures will be needed of the shark teeth, as they are blurry when you zoom in. @hemipristis is good at telling the Carcharhinus species apart. 22 definitely doesn't look like a Hemi to me. I doubt that 23 is, either, but it's blurry. Thank you! I don't think they are hemis either. I have a fair number of them and these don't look like them to me. If I use one of those apps and retake the photos, would I start a new thread with them, or attach them here? Sorry. New here and don't want to do things wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Lover Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Just add them on to this post. 1 Fin Lover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 Ok resubmitting these photos. I tried to do the grid format, but it reduced the image quality. I will have to figure out what I am doing wrong. Thank you all for any help on ID'ing! I appreciate this forum SO very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Lover Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Pictures are much better! Although I think you have lingual and labial backwards (although I am half asleep, so I could be looking at your pictures and text wrong ). Fin Lover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemipristis Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On 4/11/2024 at 11:37 AM, Fin Lover said: I suspect that better pictures will be needed of the shark teeth, as they are blurry when you zoom in. @hemipristis is good at telling the Carcharhinus species apart. 22 definitely doesn't look like a Hemi to me. I doubt that 23 is, either, but it's blurry. A challenge! I love it. This will take. Bit of time due to the number of teeth. I already see at least 4 species 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' George Santayana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 32 minutes ago, Fin Lover said: Pictures are much better! Although I think you have lingual and labial backwards (although I am half asleep, so I could be looking at your pictures and text wrong ). Ha! Maybe.. Lingual faces the tongue right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 18 minutes ago, hemipristis said: A challenge! I love it. This will take. Bit of time due to the number of teeth. I already see at least 4 species Woohoo! My brain can't just throw them all together in a bowl and call it a day. I have to separate them methodically and label them. I need someone with more experience to help me out. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Please do not put your questions into a photo. I can not cut and paste the questions...I have to retype them. " I am assuming that they are either Bull or Dusky ?" YES "Are they all the same species" ? NO . see answer #1 Bull and Dusky are different species. "The Bourlette seems a little different on some" YES, they are a little different . There is variations within species and these have been worn and broken in the surf. "as well as the serrations" YES "That may be wear or mouth placement" Yes The upper and lower teeth of Bull and Dusky are different . I believe that at a minimum 12 and likely 13 of the 1st 13 are Bull and Dusky. What else do you want to know about the 1st 13, Please be specific, The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, Shellseeker said: Please do not put your questions into a photo. I can not cut and paste the questions...I have to retype them. " I am assuming that they are either Bull or Dusky ?" YES "Are they all the same species" ? NO . see answer #1 Bull and Dusky are different species. "The Bourlette seems a little different on some" YES, they are a little different . There is variations within species and these have been worn and broken in the surf. "as well as the serrations" YES "That may be wear or mouth placement" Yes The upper and lower teeth of Bull and Dusky are different . I believe that at a minimum 12 and likely 13 of the 1st 13 are Bull and Dusky. What else do you want to know about the 1st 13, Please be specific, Hi Shellseker! Thank you for taking time looking at the pictures. I will remember that next time on the photos. Did you see the new photos that I uploaded, or are you referring to the original 13? I want to make sure we are talking about the same teeth before I ask more questions. I was really hoping for a way to distinguish between the bull and dusky. I do know they are tricky to tell apart. I also was hoping to know rough mouth placement, unless that is REALLY hard to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On #14... You say ...tooth on left and my Meg that is on the right but you show 5 teeth ? Which are your Megs and which are the tooth to be identified ? The tooth that is 2nd on the left is a Meg... it has a bourlette... The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 17 minutes ago, Newbie77 said: Ha! Maybe.. Lingual faces the tongue right? Ha! You are right. I actually changed it from labial to lingual. Duh. My bad. Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, Shellseeker said: On #14... You say ...tooth on left and my Meg that is on the right but you show 5 teeth ? Which are your Megs and which are the tooth to be identified ? The tooth that is 2nd on the left is a Meg... it has a bourlette... Ok, so you are looking at the original photo upload. Yes the larger tooth is definitely a meg in that photo. I couldn't tell if the much smaller one also had a bourlette. It could just be wear though for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 Just now, Newbie77 said: Ok, so you are looking at the original photo upload. Yes the larger tooth is definitely a meg in that photo. I couldn't tell if the much smaller one also had a bourlette. It could just be wear though for sure. 1 hour ago, Newbie77 said: Ok resubmitting these photos. I tried to do the grid format, but it reduced the image quality. I will have to figure out what I am doing wrong. Thank you all for any help on ID'ing! I appreciate this forum SO very much. Please excuse the fact that I have flipped my labial/lingual. Tired eyes. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, Newbie77 said: Did you see the new photos that I uploaded, or are you referring to the original 13? I want to make sure we are talking about the same teeth before I ask more questions. I saw both sets of photos, but I did not think that you changed the numbering on the 1st 13. Did You? 3 minutes ago, Newbie77 said: I was really hoping for a way to distinguish between the bull and dusky. I do know they are tricky to tell apart. I also was hoping to know rough mouth placement, unless that is REALLY hard to do. So, I have been hunting for 4 years. I have found hundreds of thousands of Bull and Dusky shark teeth. When I started I was like you.. I wanted to have someone else identify everything down to the minutest detail.. I gave up. It would take too much of their time and too much of my own time. Now I only do it for mammals. So, after 15 years and thousands of teeth, I can not identify tooth positions for all Bull and Dusky teeth. Fortunately , we have some of the few members on this forum,. Like Hemipristis who can. Sort of depends on whether they see your post and have the time to do it. They could be on vacation this week or living normal lives. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, Shellseeker said: I saw both sets of photos, but I did not think that you changed the numbering on the 1st 13. Did You? So, I have been hunting for 4 years. I have found hundreds of thousands of Bull and Dusky shark teeth. When I started I was like you.. I wanted to have someone else identify everything down to the minutest detail.. I gave up. It would take too much of their time and too much of my own time. Now I only do it for mammals. So, after 15 years and thousands of teeth, I can not identify tooth positions for all Bull and Dusky teeth. Fortunately , we have some of the few members on this forum,. Like Hemipristis who can. Sort of depends on whether they see your post and have the time to do it. They could be on vacation this week or living normal lives. Ha! I totally understand that. I normally dig Ernst Quarries (Bakersfield, CA), and we have very few shark species there so they are easier to ID. Peace River Formation has SUCH diversity that it WAY more of a challenge. Thank you for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On your new # 6 , the fetal/baby Meg... I do not think it is a Meg.. because it's shape is wrong.. It is long and baby Megs are not.. It is also squeezed in the middle like a waistline. It is Bull or Dusky.. I think Dusky but I can not tell the difference. Others may be able to... The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie77 Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 Just now, Shellseeker said: On your new # 6 , the fetal/baby Meg... I do not think it is a Meg.. because it's shape is wrong.. It is long and baby Megs are not.. It is also squeezed in the middle like a waistline. It is Bull or Dusky.. I think Dusky but I can not tell the difference. Others may be able to... I figured that was the case, but a gal can hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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