astron Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Hello all! I found this thing last Sunday in my hunting area (late miocene Crete island, Greece). Is there any guess on what could it be? Many thanks in advance for the help. Best regards Astrinos Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Well...There's some familiar shapes !!!! check out the pictures on this post: My link Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 Well...There's some familiar shapes !!!! check out the pictures on this post: My link Thanks, Barry, for the interest and for the help I have already seen the topic with the plant material you are refering to. Moreover I have answered to it after you attaching 3 of my relative plantation plates (on posts 15, 16 and 17). In my opinion here is something different as the magnification may show beter. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Let may say right up front...I haven't got a clue and I'm not familiar with the age However, the similar pitch fork shapes struck a cord and in the box on the right (the little holes) remind me of impressions of rootlets. Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Open question to all, because I don't know... I would be interested in knowing what features on this matrix or the matrix itself points to the possibility of fishy? I'm sure other members have asked themselves this...Knowing astron thinks the matrix may point to marine IE fish At least I'm interested in learning about features that may not be obvious, which points to the possibility of marine or fish Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas-Tunnel Rat Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Open question to all, because I don't know... I would be interested in knowing what features on this matrix or the matrix itself points to the possibility of fishy? I'm sure other members have asked themselves this...Knowing astron thinks the matrix may point to marine IE fish At least I'm interested in learning about features that may not be obvious, which points to the possibility of marine or fish Looks marine would love to see the Cocolithic count on it To Be Honest. PUBLICATIONS Dallas Paleontology Society Occasional Papers Vol. 9 2011 "Pennsylvanian Stratigraphy and Paleoecology of Outcrops in Jacksboro, Texas" Author Texas Paleontology Society Feb, 2011 "Index Fossils and You" A primer on how to utilize fossils to assist in relative age dating strata" Author Quotes "Beer, Bacon, and Bivalves!" "Say NO to illegal fossil buying / selling" "They belong in a museum." Education Associates of Science - 2011 Bachelors of Science (Geology & Biology) - 2012 est. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleoRon Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Puffer fish spines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 Open question to all, because I don't know... I would be interested in knowing what features on this matrix or the matrix itself points to the possibility of fishy? I'm sure other members have asked themselves this...Knowing astron thinks the matrix may point to marine IE fish At least I'm interested in learning about features that may not be obvious, which points to the possibility of marine or fish Hi Barry. What makes me thinking of fishy material is the type of preservation of these shapes, wich is exactly the same with the attached items I have found here. So, they seem to me as scales of some type but I haven't found something alike sofar. I am continuing the searching on this thread. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 astron OK...Now I understand! It's not just the shapes but the shapes AND preservation AND "the look"...ALL comes with Experience with working with this material No shortcuts to field and working experience I totally "Get It" Thanks Barry Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 Looks marine would love to see the Cocolithic count on it To Be Honest. Many thanks for the answer and for the help Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 Puffer fish spines? Wow! That would be fine And a quick searcing indicates you rather have nailed the center of the target. Pufferfish (or blowfish) scales I think fit When news I'll update... Many thanks for the answer and for the help Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 astron OK...Now I understand! It's not just the shapes but the shapes AND preservation AND "the look"...ALL comes with Experience with working with this material No shortcuts to field and working experience I totally "Get It" Thanks Barry You are welcome, Barry Thank you too Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Dactyll Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 astron... Very nice to find something unusual for the site... its a real buzz... congratulations and keep us posted... Cheers Steve... And Welcome if your a New Member... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 astron... Very nice to find something unusual for the site... its a real buzz... congratulations and keep us posted... You are right, Steve It's really a nice feeling Now I have to try a prep on it. It looks to me like to climb a mountain but my couriosity on what is hidden there doesn't let me down Any way I'll update Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mako-mama Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I am not familiar with any fossil "puffer fish" which have scales-unless you include the spiny puffers spines as scales. Could you enlighten me-or us? Neat fossil-whatever it is. I hope it is fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) I am not familiar with any fossil "puffer fish" which have scales-unless you include the spiny puffers spines as scales. Could you enlighten me-or us? Neat fossil-whatever it is. I hope it is fishy. Thanks for the question Yes, I include the spines as scales as they are extensions of the basic scales. I think that we are seeing here the bases of the scales and not the spines themselves. mylink I am copying from this link: Three types of ctenoid scales are recognised; crenate, with simple indentations in the margin, spinoid, with developed spines that are continuous with the main body of the scale, and ctenoid, in which the ctenii are formed as separate bony growths which are distinct from the main body of the scale. Edited September 22, 2011 by astron Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 Hello all. I have just finished the prep and here are the results... I think it's about a blowfish ( 16 x 14 cm in the largest dimensions). The tail is missing but I like it. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Oh, Astrino! That is wonderful! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roz Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I would have never guessed that was under there! Beautiful fish. I will have to look it up as I don't recall ever seeing one.. Congratulations! Welcome to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinopaleus Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 ASTRINOS! THAT IS A MAAAAAGNIFICENT PIECE!!! it's like there's no other only found in crete, and by a dear friend! have you nailed the species? if its something new than this is your chance!! how the heck do you find these things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Astrinos you continually amaze us with spectacular discoveries. Please accept my exuberant exaltation in the form of a rhyme: A man from Crete had a wish, For another Miocene dish, As ancient winds blow, We all certainly know, An incredible Puffered-up-Fish! :sword: :Bananasaur: :bow: :Bananasaur: :sword: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mako-mama Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Astrinos, OK, Now I see it!! Great find. Thanks for posting. Do you have name for that fish? I often find the individual pufferfish spines in the Pliocene (eastern North Carolina, USA) but have never found in the Miocene. Also, never found (nor do I know anyone who has)any articulated spines. Lucky you! Pat Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 Oh, Astrino! That is wonderful! Thanks, Chas, for the nice comment Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 I would have never guessed that was under there! Beautiful fish. I will have to look it up as I don't recall ever seeing one.. Congratulations! Thanks, roz, for the nice comments And I was amazed on what was hidden there Looking for what the species it could be, I was more surprised since I couldn't find alike fossils Probably my search is deficient Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 ASTRINOS! THAT IS A MAAAAAGNIFICENT PIECE!!! it's like there's no other only found in crete, and by a dear friend! have you nailed the species? if its something new than this is your chance!! how the heck do you find these things... Thank you so much, Henry As I refered above I have tried enough to find an Id. Neither in the available pdfs concerning my island nor everywhere else I found alike fossils . Rather I didn't search it well . So, I have searched the recent fishes and the only I found is the family of it : diodontidae. As for the way I found it ... I'd say that it's more up to my luck and to my village Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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