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Ameenah

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Hello Everyone,

I found this plate in Springfield, TN yesterday on a creek bed under a overpass. I belive they are some type of worm I would like to find out what type they are.

Thanks for the help in advance,

~Ameenah

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The piece with a circular shape on it's side in the third photo looks like it could be a cirrinodal columnal from a crinoid stem. Does an end view contradict the idea ?

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Look like crinoid stem pieces to me also.

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I sure see what you mean about them being flattened...the only other thing I can think of is cephalopod, but that doesn't fly because your specimens don't taper.

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Ichnofossil? Maybe a burrow of some kind?

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no it is not a burrow lol I'll take better pics and post tomorrow sometime .

Thanks to everyone :D

better pics to come soon......................

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I have seen flattened crinoid columnals like that. There are burrows that look similar, but they don't separate into sections like the crinoids do.

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It just came to me. There is a picture of a crinoid with flattened columnals on the cover of the book FOSSIL CRINOIDS. Try an image search for platycrinites.

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It just came to me. There is a picture of a crinoid with flattened columnals on the cover of the book FOSSIL CRINOIDS. Try an image search for platycrinites.

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Looks like Polychaete sp. to me...

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Looks like Polychaete sp. to me...

I have the book ...

Quoting from "Fossil Crinoids" page 149 with the same photo that appears on the cover...

"Complete crinoids from Indian Creek, uppermost Edwardsville Formation.

Platycrinites saffordi (the large complete specimen) carrying the gastropod Platyceras"

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I have the book ...

Quoting from "Fossil Crinoids" page 149 with the same photo that appears on the cover...

"Complete crinoids from Indian Creek, uppermost Edwardsville Formation.

Platycrinites saffordi (the large complete specimen) carrying the gastropod Platyceras"

I think that pecopteris is saying that Ameena's mystery specimen looks like a polychaete to him.

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Wow Guys,

I just got home from work.... Thanks so much for all of the help. I really didnt think the crinoid skeletal remains could be that flat but I stand corrected LOL.

I found this when I first started collecting and thougt it was also a worm fragment what do you all think of this?

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Ichnofossil? Maybe a burrow of some kind?

The problem with the Burrow idea is that it would be the same color as the matrix like in this pic right?

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Hi Ameenah,

Maybe in the formation you are collecting burrows will always be the same color as the matrix. However, I don't think all burrow fossils need to be the same color as the surrounding matrix though. I've seen red Ophiomorpha burrows embedded in a grayish matrix online before, but perhaps those are just a special case. Regardless, the crinoid column idea looks like a good ID. :) Cool fossil!

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Howdy Ameenah-

I agree, that burrows aren't necessairly the same color as the matrix. Often, yes, but not always. Burrows usually show no internal structure either... what do the ends of your look like? Your fossils seem to have very little structural stuff going on... I am going to go with horizontal bottom of the sea burrows.

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Hi Ameenah,

Maybe in the formation you are collecting burrows will always be the same color as the matrix. However, I don't think all burrow fossils need to be the same color as the surrounding matrix though. I've seen red Ophiomorpha burrows embedded in a grayish matrix online before, but perhaps those are just a special case. Regardless, the crinoid column idea looks like a good ID. :) Cool fossil!

Cool I dont think i've ever seen that before. Do you know what would cause the difference in color, secreations from the animal maybe?

Thanks so much :)

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HI Ameenah,

I really don't know but I'll bet another member here does. If I had to guess I'd go with your suggestion of secretions or maybe just a different type of infilling mud.

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If a burrow was just a hole before it was infilled with sediment it stands to reason that the sediment that filled it in could be at least somewhat different from the sediment on the seabed that was originally burrowed into. It would all depend on what material was being washed into the sea at any one time and that could vary with the layers being eroded from the banks of the river system providing the sediment. But I'm reluctant to offer a guess on your fossil until I can see a picture of the end because of it's similarity to a crinoid. Since they don't all look exactly the same it's also possible they may not be the same thing.

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Wow Guys,

I just got home from work.... Thanks so much for all of the help. I really didnt think the crinoid skeletal remains could be that flat but I stand corrected LOL.

I found this when I first started collecting and thougt it was also a worm fragment what do you all think of this?

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Is this one convex or concave ? If it's concave I would guess mould of a crinoid stem.
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