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Help! Found At Belgrade: My First Thought Was Sponges.


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Found these today in an Eastern NC quarry at Belgrade. They came from piles that were very sandy and had lots of small crushed shells. Most likely Haywood Landing member of the Belgrade formation. Late Oligocene. There were 7 all total laying together. My first thought was they were sponges. They are "light" for their size and when I cleaned them, putting them into a bucket of water, they floated. Am I correct. Here are pics of 3 of them.

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3rd one coming

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Here is the 3rd one

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Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt
behind the trailer, my desert
Them red clay piles are heaven on earth
I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt

Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers

 

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I thought they could be nodules of calcareous algae, but then you said they float.... :)

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They float down here...... We all float down here. :o

Floating is a good indication I take?

Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt
behind the trailer, my desert
Them red clay piles are heaven on earth
I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt

Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers

 

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Floating is a good indication I take?

I figured algal nodules would sink, but then I'm used to finding well-cemented ones.

Context is critical.

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Is the preservation in the Haywood Landing member typically delicate? Whatever these are, they are not solidly mineralized (meaning there is entrained air). Very cool; I'm hoping for algae balls!

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Is the preservation in the Haywood Landing member typically delicate? Whatever these are, they are not solidly mineralized (meaning there is entrained air). Very cool; I'm hoping for algae balls!

Yes Auspex, much of what comes out of the Haywood Landing Member is very very delicate.

Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt
behind the trailer, my desert
Them red clay piles are heaven on earth
I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt

Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers

 

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They float down here...... We all float down here. :o

Floating is a good indication I take?

Ok, thanks for giving me flashbacks to the book "IT". I am now wondering if these are sponges. I have been searching and I have not found anything similar. Hmmmmmm. :popcorn:

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Process of identification "mistakes create wisdom".

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My first impression if they float pumice as volcanic rock would be deposited in all ages.??

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My first impression if they float pumice as volcanic rock would be deposited in all ages.??

There shouldn't be any pumice deposited in NC unless there was a ridiculously large volcanic eruption somewhere. :)

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These are bryozoan colonies. The same ones are found at Lee Creek. I'm away from my references right now. I'll give a name later.

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These are bryozoan colonies. The same ones are found at Lee Creek. I'm away from my references right now. I'll give a name later.

Bryozoan did cross my mind, but I thought they were to large. Looking forward to your ID.

Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt
behind the trailer, my desert
Them red clay piles are heaven on earth
I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt

Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers

 

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There shouldn't be any pumice deposited in NC unless there was a ridiculously large volcanic eruption somewhere. :)

I cant speak for other North Carolina sites, but pumice is indeed found in Aurora. The source has never been determined. Other volcanic trace minerals have been found, too. If memory serves me correctly (?), I believe this was published in Joel Kimrey's paper-"Description of the Pungo River Formation in Beaufort County". Of further interest, there is a large granite dome just outside Greenville, NC.

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It looks very similar to coralline algae that I posted in show us your algae (http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php/topic/26846-show-us-your-algae/page__st__40), however the lightness of the material suggests bryozoa.

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I had made the assumption that the bryozoa from Belgrade are the same species as the similar looking colonies from Lee Creek but when I looked at them under the microscope they look different. This first photo shows three colonies, the round one to the right is from Belgrade Quarry, the other two from Lee Creek. The ones from Lee Creek usually colonize clam shells. The long one is some type of razor clam.

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Here is a close up of the colony from Belgrade:

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And one from Lee Creek:

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I thought finding a reference for these would be easy but I haven't found a name for them yet.

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