jnoun11 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) Hi the Devonian of Morocco is very well known for its invertebrate fauna, but much less for his placoderms.It was in 1937 that scientists Termier H. and L. cariond and J.Marcais have found the first remains of vertebrates in the Devonian of the locality of Erfoud.Dr. Lehman is making the first release in 1954 in the number 129 of the Notes et memoires of service geologique du maroc.with the Techniques of past days it was not possible preparation of three dimensions.the preparation technique with formic acid or acetic acid allows the preparation of the specimens in three dimensions. placoderms are not rare , they are often destroyed by erosion in sahara desert and very difficult to prepared. I would start with a classic star : Dunkleosteus marcaisi. systematic paleontologyClass: PLACODERMI MC COY , 1848Order: ARTHRODIRA Woodward,1891Sub-order: PACHYOSTEOMORPHAFamily: DINICHTYIDAE NEWBERRY 1885 Dspecies : DUNKLEOSTEUS marsaisi LEHMAN 1954AGE : upper Devonian (Lower Famennian); Tafilalet, south Morocco.locality : DJEBEL MERAKIB MAROC Size of the specimen: 1,10 m x 0,57m x 0,65m 3,28 ft x 2 ft x 2 ft Edited May 15, 2014 by jnoun11 7 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 close up of different parts of the skull rostral plates with nasal caps sclerotic ring inter-dentary plates is not a cast... 2 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRK Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) Not really into Paleozoic fish----BUT -----those are great and the prep is beautiful, and I'm assuming those are models of the originals. Edited April 13, 2013 by PRK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 You are bringing us a wealth of information about paleontology in Morocco, far beyond the common public conception here. Thank you very much! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regg Cato Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 That's a magnificent specimen; I've had the opportunity to examine a couple specimens of Dunkleosteus in real life, they're pretty awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) titanichtys termieri systematic paleontology familly :Titanichtydaespecies: Titanichtys termieri LEHMAN 1954locality: Upper Devonian, Lower Famennian stage of Maider MOROCCO publications Denison, R.H., 1978. Placodermi. In: Schultze, H.-P. (Ed.), Handbook of Paleoichthyology, vol. 2. Gustav Fischer Verlag, Stuttgart, 128 pp. Family TITANICHTYIDAE DEAN 1901C Very large Pachyosteina with the cranial and trunk shields very wide and dorso-ventraly depressed. The skull roof tends to be thin andfenestrated, except that the nuchal thickening is well developed. The eyes are small, far anterior, and bounded A posteriorly by thepostorbitalls and suborbitals. The rostral bone is unknow ,sugesting that the snout was soft. The cheeks are loosely articuled to the cranialroof. The infra-gnathals are long and slender, without teeth, cusps or shearing edges. The trunk shield projects far under the head. The nuchal gap is large due to the émargination of the nuchal and median dorsal. The anterior laterals have a flat dorsal lamina and a long shaftextending under the head. Spinal and interolateral plates are unknown and probably absent. 0f the ventral shield, only the anteriorventro-laterals are known, and the rest may be reduced. The bones are smooth.These highly specialized and presumbably sluggish, bottom-feeding arthrodires ave been considered as derivatives of dinichtyidae. However,their anterior latéral are not angulated, indicating that theirgill covers were not postériorly élongated,and that the neck slit retained the primitive antero-ventral slope,so any close relationship isunlikely. Upper Devonian (Famennian); North America, North Africa and ? Europe. Titanichthys NEWBERRY 1885B [including Brontichthys CLAYPOLE 1894B] The only Kown génus in the family. The nuchal is short and wide, with its posterior margin emarginate and thickened for the attachment oflevator muscles of the head. The cranio-thoracic joint is well developed. On the suborbital plates, the infraorbital and supraoralcanals are entirely distinct. The median dorsal is characterized by a deeply concave anterlor margin, two processes on each side, and a median projection on the posterior border. Type species: T. agassizi NEWBERRY 1885B . Upper Devonian (Famennian), Cleveland shale; Ohio, U.S.A. The infragnathalsarc strongly curved medially. The length of the head shield is about 60 cm. The following species have also been described from the Cleveland shale: T.attenuatus WRIGHT in CLAYPOLE 1893G. Based on an infragnathal that is more than . 36 cm. long; it may be synonymous with T. agassizi. T.clarkii NEWBERRY 1887C. The infragnathals are not strongly curved in a horizontal plane. The cranial roof is relatively narrower and rounder than in the type species. One of the largest vertebrates of the Devonian,with a head over 90 cm. long. T.hussakofi HAY 1930A [brontichthys clarki CLAYPOLE 1894B]. Based on an incomplete and poorly preserved infragnathal. Non-American species of Titanichthys are: T? kozlowskii KULCZYCKI 1957. Upper Devonian (Upper Famennian), Holy Cross Mountains, Poland. Based on incomplete nuchal and central plates. T.termieri LEHMAN 1954A. Upper Devonian (Lower Famennian), Tafilalet, South Morocco. As large as T. clarkii, with the head and trunk shields having an estimated length of 2 meters. Titanichtys termieri is probably the biggest placoderm ever found in a world. size of this specimen : 5 feet x 5 feet The first of these extraordinary Titanichthys was discovered and described in the Cleveland Shale of Ohio in the 1800's; the first partial specimen of T.termieri was unearthed by French geologist Henri Termier in Morocco in the 1937 and described bypaleontologist Jean-Pierre Lehman in the 1956 in notes et memoires du service geologique du Maroc tome 129 ,. Aside from isolated pieces of armor, only three complete skulls have ever been found, localisation of the maider Edited April 14, 2013 by jnoun11 6 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regg Cato Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Why have I never heard of this before...good posts jnoun11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) antinosteus lehmani etymology : nammed from Antinea , queen of Atlantis and in memory of the great professor Lehman. systematic paleontology class: Placodermi Mc Coy, 1848order: arthrodira Woodward, 1891sub-order: Brachythoraci Gross, 1932Family: ANTINOSTEUSSpecie: LEHMAN ANTINOSTEUS Lelievre, 1984AGE: DEVONIAN. Emsianlocality: Djebel Issoumour publications: LELIÈVRE H. 1984b. —Antineosteus lehmani n. g., n. sp., nouveau Brachythoraci du Dévonien inférieur du Maroc présaharien. Remarques sur la paléobiogéographie des homostéides de l’Emsien. Annales de Paléontologie 70: 115-158. 1988. Nouveau materiel d'Antinosteus lehmani Lelievre, 1984 (Placoderme, Brachythoraci)- et d'Acanthodiens du Devonien inferieur (Emsian) d'Algerie. Bulletin du Museum d'Histoire Naturelle, Paris, 10: 287-302, 5 figs. MOROCCO specimen No. 1 found in Moroccan Sahara in 2004, on the Jebel Issoumour in Phacops level. The remains of arthrodires Brachythoraci Morocco was in 1963 by Lehman, ANTINOSTEUS Lehmani case was reported by Lelievre, 1984, this very rare species has never recovered fully, some new parts anatomical Antinosteus from Algeria were described in 1988, but do not give an idea of the entire animal.Copy No 1 of our collections has submarginal a beautiful skull, a sub-orbital on the left, the two upper left antérognathals, inférognathal, full inférognathal the right part, the left and right plates, the ventral median plate, and ventrolateral plate.Placoderms fisches are very difficult to interpret.The quality of these specimen is incredible. dentary Edited July 13, 2014 by jnoun11 4 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down under fossil hunter Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Yep, very cool! Good to get some info on a family that otherwise goes unmentioned, except for Dunkleosteus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 petalichtys systematic paleontology size 20 cm 1 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) Enseosteus jaekeli systematic paleontologyClass PLACODERMI McCoy, 1848Order ARTHRODIRA Woodward, 1891Family SELENOSTEIDAE Dean, 1901Genus ENSEOSTEUS Jaekel, 1919Type species. Enseosteus jaekeli Gross, 1932, age: upper devonian- frasnian locality : achgig-tafilalt basin Morocco publications about : ^ a b c Denison, Robert (1978). Handbook of Paleoichthyology, Volume 2, Placodermi. New York: Gustav Fischer Verlage. p. 97. ISBN 9780895740274. ^ a b RÜCKLIN, MARTIN (January 14, 2011). "First selenosteid placoderms from the eastern Anti-Atlas of Morocco; osteology, phylogeny and palaeogeographical implications". Paleontology 56 (1): 25–62. doi:10.1111/j.1475-4983.2010.01026.x. Edited April 14, 2013 by jnoun11 3 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgrilusHunter Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Hi jnoun, Fantastic placoderms and wonderful information. Thanks for posting it all and welcome to The Forum from Indiana! "They ... savoured the strange warm glow of being much more ignorant than ordinary people, who were only ignorant of ordinary things." -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgrilusHunter Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 ... also ... bravo on your signature line. "They ... savoured the strange warm glow of being much more ignorant than ordinary people, who were only ignorant of ordinary things." -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) Eastmanosteus.sp systematic paleontology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastmanosteusage ; Devonian Givetianlocality : Morocco eastmanosteus cited by lehman in 1976 in the annales of paleontologie t.62 , fasc, 1 pp. 1-34 , is so rare, it was never possible to find a complete one. last year my team finded in trilobite layer in djebel merakib on specimen we was thinking it was one other type of placoderm ,named Antinosteus lehmani but after prepared it ,we founded it s was Eastmanosteus. it was difficult to find informations about different plates but it was looked like eastmanosteus yunnanensis published in 1982 by wang. http://www.ivpp.cas.cn/cbw/gjzdwxb/xbwz ... 329343.pdf preparing vertebrate need to learn a lot and see lot of specimens before pretending realize a good mounting..each specimens give on update of the older specimens...i m still learning after 20 years of practicing vertebrate preparation...size : 0 80 x 0,40 m before preparation... Edited April 14, 2013 by jnoun11 4 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) more plate of this eastmanosteus ventral plates Edited April 14, 2013 by jnoun11 1 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xonenine Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 thanks again jnoun "Your serpent of Egypt is bred now of your mud by the operation of your sun; so is your crocodile." Lepidus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arckermann Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 thank you all those unique piece !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share Posted April 14, 2013 Rhenanid systematic paleontology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhenanida this placoderm ray like is very rare and most off the time is destroyed by erosion in Sahara desert. the size of this head is 15 cm. 1 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 (edited) DUNKLEOSTEUS marsaisi LEHMAN 1954AGE : upper Devonian (Lower Famennian); Tafilalet, south Morocco.locality : DJEBEL MERAKIB MAROC close up of the antero-ventro-lateral plate with organised radialia in place, very rare. internet link : http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/02/26/exposing-the-intimate-details/ Edited April 19, 2014 by jnoun11 1 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 the same dunkleosteus extracted from the devonian bed, in step of preparation. you can see how is well anatomically organized. The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterpillar Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 What a puzzle! http://www.paleotheque.fr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey P Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 A very impressive and informative series. I find placoderms very intriguing. Thanks for posting it. Is it possible to see this collection in person. I always think about traveling back to Morocco. I was there 20 years ago. Seeing this collection would be one more positive reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triceratops Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Those are some great fossils! -Lyall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomasz Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Great posts. I have never heared about Rhenanida placoderms coming from Morocco... It is a very interesting group of primitive placoderms. I think that there is still big space for discovery of new species. However, these are not to be found in Poland. Regards, Tomasz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 this collection of placoderms is in united states of america, waiting some museum to taking care of them. The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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