sixgill pete Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 The Whiskey Bridge Location is well known for it's amazing, well preserved gastropods. There have been several post's about these, but I cannot recall one about teeth found there. I received a large box of matrix from this location and have searched maybe a third of it, and have found some very nice shark and fish teeth along with some that are broken/reworked and a few ray teeth. Looking online I was unable to find a good source for ID of the teeth from this location so I used the Castle Hayne formation teeth as a guide (it is also middle Eocene) in my attempt to ID. If I have any wrong or you may disagree, please tell me what you think they may be. There are also some unknowns. Thanks for looking. Galeorhinus sp., possibly ypresiensis. Paragaleus sp. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 Unknown Fish teeth; any ideas on the ID's. The top right 2 remind me of porgy teeth and the bottom center looks like a cuttlefish tooth Abdounia enniskilleni Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 unknown shark. This tooth has light striations on the lingual face. hard to see in the pic. Barracuda teeth, anyone know what species this would be from this location? 1 Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoSr Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Don You might download the PDF at the below link. It will help with some of the ids for Whiskey Bridge fossils. There is another PDF on shark teeth from Whiskey Bridge that I will post the link when I can find it again. http://www.hgms.org/client_trips/WhiskeyBridge/files/CollectingGuide1and2.pdf Marco Sr. 1 "Any day that you can fossil hunt is a great day." My family fossil website Some Of My Shark, Ray, Fish And Other Micros My Extant Shark Jaw Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark57 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Most likely they are Sphyraena bognorensis. The teeth from the Eocene of Virginia have been referred to that species. This species has smooth crowns. The other possibility is S. striata, which as the name implies, has fine striations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I agree with the Abdounia identification. I've circled two teeth in this photo that are probably an upper and a lower Physogaleus secundus. The other teeth in the photo could be Physogaleus or maybe Galeorhinus. You would need to look at the labial side for Galeorhinus identification. Galeorhinus have the base of the enamel overhanging the root. Physogaleus doesn't have the overhanging enamel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoSr Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 (edited) Don Check out the attached link. It has an article that identifies Eocene Shark and Ray Fossils of Texas. http://www.hgms.org/BBG/Nov06.pdf I agree with Al Dente. Abdounia enniskilleni id looks correct. The Galeorhinus sp., possibly ypresiensis and Paragaleus sp. are most likely Physogaleus secundus. Marco Sr. Edited August 18, 2013 by MarcoSr "Any day that you can fossil hunt is a great day." My family fossil website Some Of My Shark, Ray, Fish And Other Micros My Extant Shark Jaw Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Don, I think the unknown tooth is a worn A. enniskilleni. Jess unknown shark. This tooth has light striations on the lingual face. hard to see in the pic. Shark Unknown A.JPG Shark Unknown A1.JPG Barracuda teeth, anyone know what species this would be from this location? Barracuda Teeth.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoMeCrazy Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Nice finds. Those are some cool teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Most likely they are Sphyraena bognorensis. The teeth from the Eocene of Virginia have been referred to that species. This species has smooth crowns. The other possibility is S. striata, which as the name implies, has fine striations. Thanks for the info on the barracuda teeth. One of them does have very fine striations under 30x magnification, the others none. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 I agree with the Abdounia identification. I've circled two teeth in this photo that are probably an upper and a lower Physogaleus secundus. The other teeth in the photo could be Physogaleus or maybe Galeorhinus. You would need to look at the labial side for Galeorhinus identification. Galeorhinus have the base of the enamel overhanging the root. Physogaleus doesn't have the overhanging enamel. stonephysos.JPG Thanks for the info, after looking at them 2 of them had the enamel overhanging the root. Thanks for that info, it will make it much easier to ID these small teeth in the future. Also what features, if any, does a Paragaleus have? Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Marco, thanks for the links they are helpful. Jess, I had not considered that ID as the tooth has fine striations on the lingual side, you just cannot see them in the pic. Thanks MakoMeCrazy Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbitfeet Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I was just at Whiskey Bridge for the first time. I found many many shells in the south bank outcrop but nothing else. What is the best technique to find teeth and other fossils? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoSr Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I was just at Whiskey Bridge for the first time. I found many many shells in the south bank outcrop but nothing else. What is the best technique to find teeth and other fossils? From what I know the vertebrate fossils come from a specific narrow layer (lense) in the formation. I suggest you hook up with local fossil club members who could show you how to find the vertebrate lense. Marco Sr. "Any day that you can fossil hunt is a great day." My family fossil website Some Of My Shark, Ray, Fish And Other Micros My Extant Shark Jaw Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 I was just at Whiskey Bridge for the first time. I found many many shells in the south bank outcrop but nothing else. What is the best technique to find teeth and other fossils? I have never actually been there myself. I received the matrix in a trade with another forum member. I would suggest you posting your questions in the state forums under Texas. I am sure someone can give you some insight. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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