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Possible Belemnite ?


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Found this beauty beside the river one day , took It home because the piece that broke was an off brown color compared to the rest and it broke in a almost tube like form , when I got home and cleaned the bottom piece and top piece I discovered something incredible, not only did I destroy this beautiful thing... but I lost some of the pieces.... so I went back the next day in search and I fortunately found the last 2 little shards of the bottom guy , luckily the one has some mineralisation on it , you will be in for a treat I believe the bottom chunk might have an ammonite relative but either way cant wait to Id this!

More pics to come!

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belemnite

Partially opalized Belemnite!


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post-17721-0-06985400-1442883139_thumb.jpg(Bottom piece #3 fragments Upside down)
post-17721-0-42445400-1442883697_thumb.jpg(Bottom piece flipped and detatched possible baby ammonite ? or belemnite ?)
post-17721-0-29871200-1442883061_thumb.jpg(Top Piece with chambers flipped over , so you see the face that is against the bottom pieces)

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post-17721-0-04606300-1442884091_thumb.jpg(Bottom Piece Right side up , mineral deposit)
post-17721-0-86212300-1442884822_thumb.jpg(bottom Piece right side up , Close up , still doesn't do it justice!)

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post-17721-0-53331400-1442887019_thumb.jpg Gryphaea ?
post-17721-0-24771600-1442886469_thumb.jpg What are these shells ? I found one and had an eye for them since . they remind me of ears in the dirt

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Everything after 'Deposit' is a Paleozoic brachiopod. You don't care to mention whereabouts you are finding these things? You don't have to give exact directions to your sites, but I don't even know what province you're in...

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The 'beleminte' is probably an orthocone nautiloid.. Belemnites were Mesozoic, the Orthocones ranged from the Lower Paleozoic to Triassic.

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Really nice finds!

My opinions:

-1 and 3-I'm not sure, but probably an eroded orthocone nautiloid;

-6.2-I' see a crinoid stem;

-7.2-Brachiopods not bivalves;

-8-Associated brachiopods.One of them seems a spiriferid;

-9.1-Not Gryphaea (they're Mesozoic in age).Maybe Platyceras.

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I agree with Wrangellian. If you look at the transverse sections of the specimens in pic #1 you can see a little hole in the middle of each one, which is the siphuncle crossing longitudinally through the chambers.

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Really nice finds!

My opinions:

-1 and 3-I'm not sure, but probably an eroded orthocone nautiloid;

-6.2-I' see a crinoid stem;

-7.2-Brachiopods not bivalves;

-8-Associated brachiopods.One of them seems a spiriferid;

-9.1-Not Gryphaea (they're Mesozoic in age).Maybe Platyceras.

Wow very informative! You are correct , after much searching and new finds I have truly discovered our long lost crinoids of the past :) and even have a picture of one that was very large , maybe 10 cm diameter.

What is the difference between brachiopods and bivalves?

I call that thing a spirifer :P I am almost certain that these are gryphaea , I found a few more with their full body and shell intact , and the back lip of the shell doesn't swirl it slightly bends over and sometimes has 2 points.

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I agree with Wrangellian. If you look at the transverse sections of the specimens in pic #1 you can see a little hole in the middle of each one, which is the siphuncle crossing longitudinally through the chambers.

I have zero idea what holes youre talking about could you provide a picture with a box ?

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I hate to say this, but that is definitely not a belemnite and it is not opalized.

How can you say either of those things without any other words or proof ?

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How can you say either of those things without any other words or proof ?

See above for the first claim. I was just confirming that. As to the opalization, I can see no signs of it in the photos since that's the only information I have from you. We're not writing a thesis here, just giving advice out of years of experience. Can you prove beyond a doubt that it's opalized? That would interest me since I could of course be wrong.

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" We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. "

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I agree it's an orthoconic nautiloid. I don't think it's opalized but there is apparently some iridescent shell which is scarce in the Palaeozoic.

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There are some differences between both (brachiopod and bivalve):

-The brachiopods have a sessil lifestyle .They are suspended for a pedicle and for that, they have a hole (foramen) in the extreme of the pedicle valve.Bivalves don't have that.

-Generally, Bivalves have an axial symmetry plane different of Brachiopods.

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abyss I will take detailed pictures for you tomorrow of those spots , I can almost gaurentee that a rainbow iridescence is on this piece a very concentrated part and then a softer more lustery cloudy silvery soft rainbow colored parts. , the pictures cant do it justice , I am using a crappy digital camera , I really feel amateur here and im just trying to slowly fit in , Everyone in the community treats me so much like a part of it and I love it here. tomorrow I promise to get pictures for everyone .

Ps abyss the bottom chamber piece actually has 2 shell holes where the end is there and it looks like eyes or holes but its just two shells , I could be wrong but ill look into it tomorrow , Today I found some very new interesting finds that have been crystalised.

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I agree it's an orthoconic nautiloid. I don't think it's opalized but there is apparently some iridescent shell which is scarce in the Palaeozoic.

I think you are sooo right! It def has a iridescense , like I called it opalization because it popped to my head , I don't fully understand opalization tbh but it is a rainbow nacre to say the least! and you Id'd it correctly , It looks like the pictures on google! nice job!

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There are some differences between both (brachiopod and bivalve):

-The brachiopods have a sessil lifestyle .They are suspended for a pedicle and for that, they have a hole (foramen) in the extreme of the pedicle valve.Bivalves don't have that.

-Generally, Bivalves have an axial symmetry plane different of Brachiopods.

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WOWWW I never understood this until you explained it correctly . I was always like so theres another set of wings somewhere ? IO never got it! now I get it ! thank you! have a good night everyone , until tomorrow , goodnight!

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