DE&i Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Hi everyone, Would anyone be able to give me an estimated guess as to how much of this small rib bone is missing. Unfortunately rib bones such as this are not very helpful as to a specific mammal it is from so I can’t help you there. But I do know its ice age (Devensian). UPDATE: LINK Regards.....D&E&i The only certainty with fossil hunting is the uncertainty. https://lnk.bio/Darren.Withers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE&i Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 Edit : A pleasant surprise just popped into my inbox regarding this find of mine. Apparently it’s a very rare complete stylohyoid, tongue bone, of a woolly rhinoceros, Coelodonta antiquitatis..! WOW talk about one scale to the other. If I can find this reference then the answers I seek might be here. So please if anyone can help that would be very much appreciated indeed. Guerin, Claude, 1983: Le Gisement Pleistocene Superieur de La Grotte de Jaurens a Nespuls, Correze, France: Les Rhinocerotidae (Mammalia, Perrissodactyla). Nouv. Arch. Mus. Hist. nat., Fasc. 21, pp. 65-85, 6 figs, 33 tabl., 1 pl. OR Guerin, Claude, 1983: the reservoir pleistocene superior of the cave of jaurens has nespuls, correze, France: the rhinocerotidae (Mammalia, perrissodactyla). New. Arch. Mus. History. Nat., Fasc. 21, PP. 65-85, 6 Figs, 33 tab., 1 PL. Regards.....D&E&i The only certainty with fossil hunting is the uncertainty. https://lnk.bio/Darren.Withers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Wow! It really does look just like a rib! Who knew that tongues have ribs?! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Is this your find, Darren? It's fantastic! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TqB Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Fantastic find, Darren, I've never heard of those. Tarquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE&i Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 Is this your find, Darren? It's fantastic! Fantastic find, Darren, I've never heard of those. I did indeed find the bone but have no in situ photos I’m afraid which is rather odd for me. As I have a serious OCD for photo’ing my finds as found. I’m also now having the paper kindly submitted by one of the TFF members. If you have the time to look at the download and scroll down to the last page you will find a very good likeness. GuerinC-1983.pdf Regards.....D&E&i The only certainty with fossil hunting is the uncertainty. https://lnk.bio/Darren.Withers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Well, compared to the example in the paper, yours is not missing any bone. Looks like you have a more complete one than the illustrated one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE&i Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 Well, compared to the example in the paper, yours is not missing any bone. Looks like you have a more complete one than the illustrated one. Do you no what I was thinking the exact same thing Regards.....D&E&i The only certainty with fossil hunting is the uncertainty. https://lnk.bio/Darren.Withers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 When did you collect this wondrous specimen? "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Nice find! Congrats for this! Used for reference the distally incomplete stylohyoideus of the specimen presented in A skeleton of an injured Coelodonta antiquitatis from the Late Pleistocene of north-western Germany - Cajus G. Diedrich, which in the scale bar of 10cm would be 25.5 cm between the widest points, and compared with your specimen which is approx 12.5 cm b.w.p., if I measured correctly, results a missing part of 49% in yours compared to the German one. Please check the calculation to be sure. Reference: http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/download?type=document&docid=523549 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE&i Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) When did you collect this wondrous specimen? Not too long ago on an organised field trip I’d forgotten it was in one of my side pockets in my kit bag….and to be honest it was destined to be placed on a little bone graveyard in creating around my shed Edited November 8, 2015 by DarrenElliot Regards.....D&E&i The only certainty with fossil hunting is the uncertainty. https://lnk.bio/Darren.Withers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE&i Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 Nice find! Congrats for this! Used for reference the distally incomplete stylohyoideus of the specimen presented in A skeleton of an injured Coelodonta antiquitatis from the Late Pleistocene of north-western Germany - Cajus G. Diedrich, which in the scale bar of 10cm would be 25.5 cm between the widest points, and compared with your specimen which is approx 12.5 cm b.w.p., if I measured correctly, results a missing part of 49% in yours compared to the German one. document.jpg Please check the calculation to be sure. Reference: http://natuurtijdschriften.nl/download?type=document&docid=523549 Extremely informative thank you so much. Regards.....D&E&i The only certainty with fossil hunting is the uncertainty. https://lnk.bio/Darren.Withers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE&i Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 Hi everyone, Would anyone be able to give me an estimated guess as to how much of this small rib bone is missing. Unfortunately rib bones such as this are not very helpful as to a specific mammal it is from so I can’t help you there. But I do know its ice age (Devensian). Please ignore the description of these photos i.e. Head of small rib. As it has now been identified as Coelodonta antiquitatis stylohyoid bone Regards.....D&E&i The only certainty with fossil hunting is the uncertainty. https://lnk.bio/Darren.Withers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samwise Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Great find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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