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The past month or so I have had a chance to examine some shale from the Stark Shale, Dennis Formation, Kansas City Group.  I have found many conodonts and I’ve enjoyed the challenge of taking pictures of them while they are still embedded in the shale.  I think I have over 100 specimens now.    Below I have posted some of my results.  I have tried to identify the element position (P, S, or M) according to Purnell, Donoghue and Aldridge’s “Orientation and Anatomical Notation in Conoodonts,” Journal of Paleontology, 74(1), 2000, pp. 113-122, although I have not distinguished among the various S elements.  In addition, I have attempted a bit of genus and species identification using Baesemann’s “Missouri (Upper Pennsylvanian) Conodonts of Northeastern Kansas,” Journal of Paleontology, 47(4), 689-710.  

 

I am just now beginning to experiment with dissolving the shale to extract the conodonts.  I’ve had a some luck just using a 3% hydrogen peroxide solution from a local drug store.  If I can figure this out, I should be able to get some pictures of extracted specimens.

 

It has been fascinating and I’ve learned some interesting things.  I have no training in biology or paleontology, and I am just a fossil hobbyist, so I expect that there are mistakes in my understanding of the terminology and in the ID of specific items.  This is likely exacerbated by my superficial reading of the articles I mentioned above.  So, feel free to correct me and I will be grateful.

 

Just a few things about the pictures.  The conodonts are in the 1-3 mm range.  Second, the places where the conodont appears to be black are actually where the conodont is missing.  Conodonts leave a detailed shiny mold if they are broken out or removed.  Third, certain presentations are common others are less so.  For example the P element seldom presents its dorsal view.  Fourth, depth of field is a special problem for the P elements since they tend to bulge upward--and out of focus.

 

I hope to continue to develop this post as my understanding grows and my specimens increase.


I have numbered each picture by means of the comment above it.

 

 

 

1. S element

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2. S element

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3. S element pair

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4. S elements partial assemblage

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5. S elements partial assemblage (other half from the shale split)

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Very interesting! I am looking forward to seeing more!:popcorn:

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I like Trilo-butts and I cannot lie.

 

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6. S element

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7. S element

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8. S element

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9. P element

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10. P element

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Fascinating stuff! 

Thanks so much for sharing! :)

Life's Good!

Tortoise Friend.

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12. P element

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13. P element

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14. P element

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15. P elements

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16. P elements - a pair view 1

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17.  P elements - a pair view 2

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18. P element

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19. P element

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20. P element

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21. M Element

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22. M element

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23. M element

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24. M element

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25. M element

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26. M element

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27. M element

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28. M element

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29. M element - Aethotaxis advena

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30. M element - Aethotaxis advena

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31. M element - Aethotaxis advena

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32. M element - Aethotaxis advena

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33. M element - Idiognathodus delicatus

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34. M element - Idiognathodus delicatus

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35. M element - Idiognathodus delicatus

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36. M element - Idiognathodus delicatus

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37. M element - Idioprioniodus lexingtonensis

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38. M element - Idioprioniodus lexingtonensis

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39. M element - Idioprioniodus lexingtonensis

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40. M element - Idioprioniodus lexingtonensis

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41. M element ?

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42. M element ?

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43a. M element ? 43a and 43b are two halve of one specimen that would not fit in a single short.  43a is the right side, 43b is the left.

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43b.  M element ? second half of 43a.

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44. M element ?

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Great post,Kacie

 

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Very nice finds!

Thanks for sharing.

 

 

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You may find this publication interesting:

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269699418_Pennsylvanian_stratigraphy_of_Northern_Midcontinent_Shelf_and_biostratigraphic_correlation_of_cyclothems

 

I am interested in its detailed descriptions of Midcontinent cyclothems, but it also describes the types of conodonts found in each, particularly in what are referred to as 'condensed intervals'. These intervals are often black shales like the Hushpuckney and Stark, but in some minor cyclothems, they can be limestones. One of these is the Exline Limestone within the Pleasanton Group. With luck, one could recover some conodonts from this thin bed after dissolving some with HCl acid. I've yet to encounter the Exline, but there is always a first time... 

 

(Edit: not yet sure on the use of HCl on Ca-phosphate conodonts... should test a small sample....)

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Very nice specimens and photos. I really like how I could see the fine serrated teeth. 

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diagenesis

detailing apatite diagenetic structures in conodonts,and written by people who know their conodonts back to front,and back again,sideways...

you get my drift

about 5,5 Mb I think

recommended reading

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On 1/28/2018 at 12:39 AM, Missourian said:

describes the types of conodonts found in each

Thanks, Missourian, for the link to this fascinating article.  I am hopeful that with time I will be able to identify more species based on their specific stratigraphic location.

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3 hours ago, doushantuo said:

diagenesis

detailing apatite diagenetic structures in conodonts,and written by people who know their conodonts back to front,and back again,sideways...

Fascinating article.  Thanks.  It shows how much there is to learn about and from these tiny fossils--for example, palaeoclimatic information derived from their chemistry.

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15 hours ago, JUAN EMMANUEL said:

Very nice specimens and photos.

Thanks, Juan.  I, too, find them fascinating.  Their "teeth" make that microscopic ancient world seem ferocious.

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Cool stuff.  It is always nice to see things that we don't see too see a lot of.  

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Going through some shale from the Stark Shale Member (or, perhaps Hushpuckney Shale) of the Pennsylvanian, Kansas City Group, and found this interesting assemblage of four S elements.  The conodont elements are about 3mm long.

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Below are three close-ups.

 

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