Darko Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Can anybody tell me what kind of species is this? I found it in a Marl stone quarry of Popovac,Serbia. Maybe possible Myrica lignatum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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abyssunder Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Nice leaf. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Rico Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Great find I be really pleased. Sorry can’t help with an ID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, abyssunder said: Nice leaf. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bobby Rico said: Great find I be really pleased. Sorry can’t help with an ID It's not a problem.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peat Burns Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 It would be most expedient if you could find a scientific journal article that records the fossil flora of that formation to help you narrow down likely candidates. Identification of a single leaf without the aid of previous research on the flora of a site can be very difficult, often involving detailed study of the venation patterns and comparing with cleared leaves (ideally) [cleared leaves are modern leaves where all but the veins are dissolved away, highlighting the venation]. With all that being said, the genus Salix might be a good place to start your comparisons for this specimen. Here's a paper I found via a quick Google search which may or may not be helpful: Late Miocene to Early Pliocene vegetation of southern Europe (7–4 Ma) as reflected in the megafossil plant record Johanna Kovar-Eder, Zlatko Kvaček, Edoardo Martinetto, Paul Roiron Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 238 (1-4), 321-339, 2006 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I agree with that it might be younger than Miocene. 3 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 M. lignItum,banksiaefoliae,acuminata are possible right side :lignitum 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantguy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 What a great specimen! congrats! Looks like abyssunder and doushantuo have some insight that I dont. Are we able to establish what age/formation the rocks are in the quarry are with any certainty? Regards, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Plantguy said: What a great specimen! congrats! Looks like abyssunder and doushantuo have some insight that I dont. Are we able to establish what age/formation the rocks are in the quarry are with any certainty? Regards, Chris Mostly miocene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Plantguy said: What a great specimen! congrats! Looks like abyssunder and doushantuo have some insight that I dont. Are we able to establish what age/formation the rocks are in the quarry are with any certainty? Regards, Chris Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I made some research and I find that the plant fossils of that area might be of Helvetian in age, according to N. Krstik et al. 2012. The Neogene Lakes on the Balkan Land. Annales Geologiques De La Peninsule Balkanique 73: 37-60. " Allochtonous, macroflora is represented by forests stretching along the river margins, called riparian or galerian flora. It has its climatic value, but changes in short cycles and depends on the exposure. A large study of Serbian flora by PANTIĆ (1956) was completed by MIHAJLOVIĆ (1978), which placed Serbian sites not far from the Morava Valley, but to the east (Melnica, Rakova Bara, Popovac, Misača), and Slanci near Belgrade into subtropical Helvetian (early Middle Miocene). Palynological analyze of silt from the Ribnica River in Mionica gave again a subtropical climate (VASS et al. 2006). Only one site in the Levač County of central Serbia, in village Kaludra, contained macroflora of Lower Miocene age, equivalent to the Upper Ottnangian-Karpatian (MIHAJLOVIĆ 1988). " Now you can search for the Helvetian fossil terrestrial plant leaves which match your specimen, either from the vicinity of Tuzla or from Bosnia and Herzegovina. 5 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 8 hours ago, abyssunder said: I made some research and I find that the plant fossils of that area might be of Helvetian in age, according to N. Krstik et al. 2012. The Neogene Lakes on the Balkan Land. Annales Geologiques De La Peninsule Balkanique 73: 37-60. " Allochtonous, macroflora is represented by forests stretching along the river margins, called riparian or galerian flora. It has its climatic value, but changes in short cycles and depends on the exposure. A large study of Serbian flora by PANTIĆ (1956) was completed by MIHAJLOVIĆ (1978), which placed Serbian sites not far from the Morava Valley, but to the east (Melnica, Rakova Bara, Popovac, Misača), and Slanci near Belgrade into subtropical Helvetian (early Middle Miocene). Palynological analyze of silt from the Ribnica River in Mionica gave again a subtropical climate (VASS et al. 2006). Only one site in the Levač County of central Serbia, in village Kaludra, contained macroflora of Lower Miocene age, equivalent to the Upper Ottnangian-Karpatian (MIHAJLOVIĆ 1988). " Now you can search for the Helvetian fossil terrestrial plant leaves which match your specimen, either from the vicinity of Tuzla or from Bosnia and Herzegovina. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) Your leaf has an elongated lanceolate form, toothed on the distal end. It might be close to Quercus ex gr. drymeja Unger with the "teeth", but with its elongated form looks more like a Myricaceae, possibly Myrica sp. , as you thought. I tried to compare with Myrica cf. laevigata Heer described from the Early Miocene flora of Miljevina (Bosnia). Edited April 7, 2018 by abyssunder 2 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 2 hours ago, abyssunder said: Your leaf has an elongated lanceolate form, toothed on the distal end. It might be close to Quercus ex gr. drymeja Unger with the "teeth", but with its elongated form looks more like a Myricaceae, possibly Myrica sp. , as you thought. I tried to compare with Myrica cf. laevigata Heer described from the Early Miocene flora of Miljevina (Bosnia). Thanks man for the help! I knew that i was right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 I'd like to mention with regard to Myrica that there seems to be a 2015 revision (Zidianakis/Kovar-Eder et al) . Also I'd generally recommend inverted commas for "Helvetian". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 A decent revision about this thema was made in 2004. Quercus lignitum UNGER, 1847 = Myrica lignitum (UNGER) SAPORTA, 1982 Quercus drymeja UNGER, 1847 = Quercus drymeja UNGER - ETTINGSHAUSEN, 1878b excerpt from J. Kovar-Eder et al. 2004. The Miocene Flora of Parschlug (Styria, Austria) - Revision and Synthesis. Annalen Naturhistorisches Museum Wien 105 A: 45-159 3 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 3 hours ago, abyssunder said: A decent revision about this thema was made in 2004. Quercus lignitum UNGER, 1847 = Myrica lignitum (UNGER) SAPORTA, 1982 Quercus drymeja UNGER, 1847 = Quercus drymeja UNGER - ETTINGSHAUSEN, 1878b excerpt from J. Kovar-Eder et al. 2004. The Miocene Flora of Parschlug (Styria, Austria) - Revision and Synthesis. Annalen Naturhistorisches Museum Wien 105 A: 45-159 Awesome info!! Thanks! @abyssunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 I'm not sure what to think now? What do u think @abyssunder what can that be?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I would label that as Myrica cf. lignitum (UNGER). 2 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 On 09/04/2018 at 3:11 AM, abyssunder said: I would label that as Myrica cf. lignitum (UNGER). Thanks @abyssunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 the colour images I posted were from Unger,BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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