dinosaurs are lizards

[Roland Emmerich]

I am making a book showing evreyone that dinosauria is part of squamata. You will realize all of you are wrong when it comes to dinosaurs (thats how good it will be), I want to challenge pre concived notions and fill them with new ones. If you want to have a conversation with me that would be great!

[Misha]

What evidence do you have to support such a claim?

 

[Thecosmilia Trichitoma]

What are your credentials, and what research have you done to make this point? Pretty much all paleontologists agree that this is not true, and I don’t know of any sort of evidence that would change this. 

[Thecosmilia Trichitoma]

1 hour ago, Roland Emmerich said:

dinosaurs are lizards

This is not true. Dinosaurs where originally thought to be lizard like creatures, but this idea has long since been discredited. Many theropod dinosaurs had feathers and were probably warm blooded. To distinguish theropods from birds, the terms “avian dinosaurs” and “non avian dinosaurs” are used. This misconception largely comes from Hollywood dinosaur movies, and is not in any way true.

[Bullsnake]

[Kane]

Will this be a peer-reviewed book? Perhaps begin with a more focused peer-reviewed article first.

[Malcolmt]

Hmmm....so that lizard I used to own was really a dinosaur.........who'd a thunk it

 

[Fossildude19]

Moved to GENERAL FOSSIL DISCUSSION.  

Geology was not the proper subforum for this.   

[Fossildude19]

3 hours ago, Roland Emmerich said:

dinosaurs are lizards

Stating this as fact without any kind of context or evidence is rather unscientific.    

 

[LabRatKing]

As I read this, I’m feasting from the carcass of a large chicken.

[-Andy-]

Tell us more about you and what led you to such a conclusion. Also, are you currently with any museum or research institution?

[jpc]

Giving this guy the benefit of the doubt.. don't forget that Bakker wrote "The Dinosaur Heresies" as a non-peer reviewed book.  And Chuck D's "On the origin of species by means of natural selection".  

 

I have also seen a lot of simply crackpot theories published as books.  

 

I have seen enough evidence that dinosaurs are not lizards.  Mosasaurs, yes. This will take some serious work.   

[JohnJ]

5 hours ago, Roland Emmerich said:

I am making a book showing evreyone that dinosauria is part of squamata. You will realize all of you are wrong when it comes to dinosaurs (thats how good it will be), I want to challenge pre concived notions and fill them with new ones. If you want to have a conversation with me that would be great!

 

Are we to assume that you are Roland Emmerich?  Or just a fan...?

 

You have made an assertion; and as others have mentioned, what can you offer to support it?

 

If you offered any detailed support of your assertion on a public forum, would it undercut the marketing impact of pivotal points in your book?

 

(Comments on the same assertion in another topic have been merged into this topic to avoid a confusing split discussion.)

[Pemphix]

12 hours ago, Roland Emmerich said:

 dinosauria is part of squamata.

 

Seriously ?

Nooo, i think you are joking...aren't you ?

 

 

[Pemphix]

7 hours ago, JohnJ said:

 

You have made an assertion; and as others have mentioned, what can you offer to support it?

 

If you offered any detailed support of your assertion on a public forum, would it undercut the marketing impact of pivotal points in your book?

 

[Troodon]

15 hours ago, Roland Emmerich said:

If you want to have a conversation with me that would be great!

Hard to do without facts! 

[Top Trilo]

I want to see this evidence because currently there is some strong evidence that says they are more related to birds but I want to see the lizard evidence. There have been dinosaurs that have been fossilized in Germany with feathers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx#:~:text=Archaeopteryx (%2Fˌɑːrkiː,feathered dinosaurs and modern birds. 

 

Also if you just look at theropod footprints, 

and then compare them to bird footprints

 

There are obvious similarites so try to prove us wrong. 

[jpc]

3 hours ago, Top Trilo said:

I want to see this evidence because currently there is some strong evidence that says they are more related to birds but I want to see the lizard evidence. There have been dinosaurs that have been fossilized in Germany with feathers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx#:~:text=Archaeopteryx (%2Fˌɑːrkiː,feathered dinosaurs and modern birds. 

 

Also if you just look at theropod footprints, 

and then compare them to bird footprints

 

 

There are obvious similarites so try to prove us wrong. 

This is a flawed argument.  

While I am not taking the OP's side, yes dinosaurs are closely related to birds, but the way it sits, birds evolved from dinosaurs.  The 'author' is trying to convince us that dinosaurs are lizards.  Birds being dinosaurs, and dinosaur being lizards are not mutually exclusive.  They can both be true.  If so, then we can say that birds are now lizards.  

 

Waiting for the book....

 

Thanks, JohnJ for pointing out that the writer might be a famous film-maker... or not.  I was not familiar with this name.

[erose]

Hmm...crickets,  or maybe a different time zone?  Hope this stays interesting and doesn't go down the rabbit hole. We may all learn something as points are made and argued.

 

[Top Trilo]

4 hours ago, erose said:

Hmm...crickets,  or maybe a different time zone?  Hope this stays interesting and doesn't go down the rabbit hole. We may all learn something as points are made and argued.

 

Agreed, I can't wait to see the evidence 

[Roland Emmerich]

20 hours ago, JohnJ said:

 

Are we to assume that you are Roland Emmerich?  Or just a fan...?

 

You have made an assertion; and as others have mentioned, what can you offer to support it?

 

If you offered any detailed support of your assertion on a public forum, would it undercut the marketing impact of pivotal points in your book?

 

(Comments on the same assertion in another topic have been merged into this topic to avoid a confusing split discussion.)

No, I am not Roland Emmerich. I am german, but my true name is Alexander Adler. I just like he's films.

[Roland Emmerich]

21 hours ago, -Andy- said:

Tell us more about you and what led you to such a conclusion. Also, are you currently with any museum or research institution?

No, oh I know an Indian singaporean, you familiar with the user Greyideas at all? I saw that he was on ths fourm but had seen he had not posted in months. I know him as he helped me make a video.

[Roland Emmerich]

21 hours ago, -Andy- said:

Tell us more about you and what led you to such a conclusion. Also, are you currently with any museum or research institution?

I dont work at any museum. I am going to start collage

[Kane]

17 minutes ago, Roland Emmerich said:

I dont work at any museum. I am going to start collage

You can be lauded for your ambition, but this should be tempered by the long, prosaic, patient process of education and focus on fundamentals. For instance, your very big claim might require very methodical cladistic analysis, which has become much more the gold standard for showing classificatory relationships in an empirically justifiable way that will be more convincing because there would be a dataset to be used for testability.

 

In most academic pursuits, it is much more preferable to opt for modesty. That is, rather than begin with an extraordinary claim such as stating conclusively, making dinosaurs and lizards equivalent, simply ask why they are not. Science is not about proof, which is the domain of deductive disciplines like math or philosophy. Empirical (inductive) science is about falsifiability and testing hypotheses.

[Fossildude19]

2 hours ago, Roland Emmerich said:

I dont work at any museum. I am going to start collage

While I applaud your lofty goals, it seems to me to be a bit premature to state things as facts, when no supporting evidence is presented. 

If you cannot provide evidence to support your statement, then I suggest you hold off making proclamations until you have developed a solid base of evidence to present to us.