Bonehunter Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Good evening again!. Amazing what you can find jut scanning shale after shale! I find multiple clusters of conodont segments and denticles but tonight's find is potentially very exciting!. Surrounding the elements is a finely granular, uniform, brown matrix which is not shale (arrow) and not sediment (at least my thought . I see this on occasion in shale but this is the first time I've found it uniformly surrounding conodonts. to me it appears organic. Thoughts? thanks so much again!!! Bone 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 @GeschWhat Coprolite? 4 1 My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehunter Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 minute ago, DPS Ammonite said: @GeschWhat Coprolite? Ahhhh even better!!.......then there was a lot of _________ in the ocean at that time!!! Thanks! Cool to think something ate the conodont!!!! Thanks! Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas.Dodson Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Coprolite would be my guess but I'd wait to see what GeschWhat has to say. I feel like I've seen this kind of thing in a paper before but a (very) short search only yielded the following paper for images. There's otherwise a lot of mentions of conodont-bearing coprolites in papers found on google. The first direct evidence of a Late Devonian coelacanth fish feeding on conodont animals 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petalodus12 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 I agree with the coprolite ID. The matrix surrounding the conodont elements looks like phosphate, which is what makes up most coprolites. The general appearance of the fossil also resembles many of the split coprolites that I have found that contain fish material. Nice find. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehunter Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 36 minutes ago, Petalodus12 said: I agree with the coprolite ID. The matrix surrounding the conodont elements looks like phosphate, which is what makes up most coprolites. The general appearance of the fossil also resembles many of the split coprolites that I have found that contain fish material. Nice find. Soooooo cool!!!!! Thank you very much!!!........ Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 nice find. I will also guess coprolite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Okay, as soon as I saw this, I got really, really excited! It sure looks to me like conodonts were on the menu! Super, super cool find! Did I mention this is a super cool find? Kind of gives a whole new meaning to roughage. This is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cool! I think this should be submitted as fossil of the month. 4 Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 I agree with everyone else, it's a super cool find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 @Bonehunter Where was this found, age, formation? Associations of conodonts may be scientifically valuable. We may be able to find a researcher to look at them. My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehunter Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 12 hours ago, jpc said: nice find. I will also guess coprolite. Thank you! Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehunter Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, DPS Ammonite said: @Bonehunter Where was this found, age, formation? Associations of conodonts may be scientifically valuable. We may be able to find a researcher to look at them. REALLY? ARE YOU SERIOUS?- THAT WOULD BE FABULOUS!!! Thank you!! I tried contacting the Pander Society but I've never had a response- yes, please let me know!! Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehunter Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, GeschWhat said: Okay, as soon as I saw this, I got really, really excited! It sure looks to me like conodonts were on the menu! Super, super cool find! Did I mention this is a super cool find? Kind of gives a whole new meaning to roughage. This is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cool! I think this should be submitted as fossil of the month. WHAT?..........ARE YOU SERIOUS TOO??----I am fascinated with all this!!!- If you think it should be on Fossil of the Month, then I'll submit it in just a few minutes! I am SOOOOOOOO excited!! These comments make it all worthwhile!!!!!- THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!!!!!..... Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehunter Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Misha said: I agree with everyone else, it's a super cool find! Thanks!!!- I am so twitter-pated !!!! Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehunter Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 13 hours ago, Petalodus12 said: I agree with the coprolite ID. The matrix surrounding the conodont elements looks like phosphate, which is what makes up most coprolites. The general appearance of the fossil also resembles many of the split coprolites that I have found that contain fish material. Nice find. Ah ha!!!- thank you so much for elevating my knowledge!!!... It is just so cool to think of some fish swimming in the 300m -year-old ocean hunting conodonts!!!!!......thanks, thanks thanks!! Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 @Carl may be able to suggest a researcher to take a look at this find. I agree it may well be scientifically important. Don 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 47 minutes ago, Bonehunter said: WHAT?..........ARE YOU SERIOUS TOO??----I am fascinated with all this!!!- If you think it should be on Fossil of the Month, then I'll submit it in just a few minutes! I am SOOOOOOOO excited!! These comments make it all worthwhile!!!!!- THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!!!!!..... Bone 100% serious! I look at coprolites almost everyday. I especially love the tiny ones. I picked up a conodont tooth years ago. Even though coprolites are my thing. I thought they were cool because you wouldn't know you had a fossil without magnification (at least with my eyesight). The fact that you found them in a coprolite is simply amazing. I don't know if you will win fossil of the month, but in my book you definitely took coprolite of the year. To the administrators, I really think we should at least have an ichnofossil of the month category. 51 minutes ago, Bonehunter said: Ah ha!!!- thank you so much for elevating my knowledge!!!... It is just so cool to think of some fish swimming in the 300m -year-old ocean hunting conodonts!!!!!......thanks, thanks thanks!! Bone This is why I LOVE coprolites. They provide a moving picture of life. Thank you for sharing your find! 1 1 Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, GeschWhat said: To the administrators, I really think we should at least have an ichnofossil of the month category. The 'shark tooth people' and 'trilobite people' are in line ahead of the 'trace fossil people'...that puts it on the schedule for 2036! But seriously, what is the best guess as the pooper of this spikey dropping...a vertebrate or invertebrate? The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, JohnJ said: The 'shark tooth people' and 'trilobite people' are in line ahead of the 'trace fossil people'...that puts it on the schedule for 2036! But seriously, what is the best guess as the pooper of this spikey dropping...a vertebrate or invertebrate? No way to know. With coprolites, if we are lucky, we can identify what was on the menu, not who ordered the entrée. There are a few exceptions, but this isn't one of them. Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 As I suspected. To categorize this entry under our current FOTM guidelines, I wonder if the paleo environment of the geology could suggest a greater probability for vertebrate or invertebrate? The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Wow! Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petalodus12 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 9 hours ago, JohnJ said: As I suspected. To categorize this entry under our current FOTM guidelines, I wonder if the paleo environment of the geology could suggest a greater probability for vertebrate or invertebrate? I have hunted similarly aged black shales, though they are freshwater and not marine in origin. From my experience, almost all of the coprolites I have found are from vertebrates. Usually I can tell this by their scroll or spiral shape. If a pattern like this can be seen from this fossil then maybe it could be narrowed down to either vertebrate or invertebrate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Cool poop! RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Petalodus12 said: I have hunted similarly aged black shales, though they are freshwater and not marine in origin. From my experience, almost all of the coprolites I have found are from vertebrates. Usually I can tell this by their scroll or spiral shape. If a pattern like this can be seen from this fossil then maybe it could be narrowed down to either vertebrate or invertebrate. I agree. I think the odds lean heavily to vertebrate poop. 1 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 45 minutes ago, JohnJ said: I agree. I think the odds lean heavily to vertebrate poop. If you are thinking of a category, perhaps it might be better to submit them under the prey rather than the predator. In that case I would submit it under invertebrate. You can think of the coprolite like a mini field jacket. Further support for an ichnofossil category. Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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