Ezio Bonsignore Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 ... a Barasaurus besairei, from the Triassic of Madagascar. Which if true wouild be an interesting specimen. Any chance of it being real? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 This looks completely painted and carved to me. I would stay very far away. 1 3 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0b Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 I saw these a lot on an online auction site and was wondering (and suspicious). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezio Bonsignore Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 Thanks, it was my sense too. Another impulse buy avoided... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paleorunner Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 counterfeit so badly that it looks like the impression of a soft tissue animal, rather than a vertebrate. ( It is my humble opinion ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daves64 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Almost looks like they messed up an actual fossil to create that "thing". To the left of the head blob & left "forelimb". Can't really expand the pic enough to get a clear view, but it almost looks like vegetation of some sort. But if not, the rock itself would look decent with the paint removed. Accomplishing the impossible means only that the boss will add it to your regular duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Ezio Bonsignore said: Barasaurus besairei Would the general anatomy fit? 52 minutes ago, daves64 said: it almost looks like vegetation of some sort. I thought the same. Is Barasaurus besairei usually associated with this other fossil? Strange thing! Not everything seems to be painted over. Why have they cut off some limb parts? Could it be, that they started with something real? I find the somewhat conglomeratic matrix also noteworthy. Franz Bernhard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Hundreds of these so called Barasaurus besairei concretions were imported into China. A closer look will show that they are all artwork. Look at these! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FranzBernhard Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Crazyhen said: Hundreds of these so called Barasaurus besairei concretions were imported into China. A closer look will show that they are all artwork. Look at these! Oooooookkkkkk.... But: - Why were they imported into China? - Do they start from nothing with the painting? Or is something there to start with? Especially the distorted and partly disarticulated specimens make me wonder. Franz Bernhard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele 1937 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 For me it's a badly painted footprint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daves64 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 The last pic looks like someone got happy with a rubber stamp. 1 Accomplishing the impossible means only that the boss will add it to your regular duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 1:33 PM, FranzBernhard said: Oooooookkkkkk.... But: - Why were they imported into China? - Do they start from nothing with the painting? Or is something there to start with? Especially the distorted and partly disarticulated specimens make me wonder. Franz Bernhard Large quantities of many fossils such as ammonites, dinosaur bones, and fish (concretion) are imported from Madagascar into China. Mostly polished rather than raw materials as it's illegal to import raw fossils, they are sold as decorations or small household stuffs like ash trays. For the fish, I would say they are mostly genuine. But for this reptile, they might be partially real fossils but I would say they are largely painting. I didn't buy any to have closer examination so I could not tell for sure. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glu Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I've seen first hand in Madagascar some speciments excavated by local people. All of those fossils posted here are real BUT the chinese ones have been painted over with black paint. About the first speciment posted it is real, but the cavities left by the disintegrated fossil bones have been filled with a mixture of coal, coffee and glue. This is often done by local fossil hunter to sell better most of those nodules that otherwise would be less attractive. Barasaurus are really really common, but often in a bad quality preservation 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 7 hours ago, glu said: About the first speciment posted it is real, but the cavities left by the disintegrated fossil bones have been filled with a mixture of coal, coffee and glue. This is often done by local fossil hunter to sell better most of those nodules that otherwise would be less attractive. Barasaurus are really really common, but often in a bad quality preservation Thanks for that great info! Good to know that there is something! Are these in some way related to the Chinese Keichosaurus (besides their commones)? Do you have a pic of an "unenhanced" Barasaurus handy? Many thanks! Franz Bernhard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezio Bonsignore Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 "a mixture of coal, coffee and glue." Many thanks for the very informative comment. Now for a general question to the knowledgeables: is such a practice to be regarded as 1) fakery, 2) commercial fraud, 3) excessive preparation, 4) ?. In other terms, would you consider this item as worth having? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 17 hours ago, Ezio Bonsignore said: would you consider this item as worth having? If I get one for free and nothing, yes!!* I would like to know what´s behind all that coal, coffee and glue. *I only self collect, but this would be a study object. 17 hours ago, Ezio Bonsignore said: 1) fakery, 2) commercial fraud, 3) excessive preparation, We would really have to know whats there at the beginning (at the moment of splitting these concretions). At the moment, I am tending towards commercial fraud combined with lots of fakery. Franz Bernhard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 What these painted fossils need is a bright red chop mark (Chinese signature) signifying the artist that created these. Then everyone would know what it is, a piece of art. 1 My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phos_01 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 I think its clear: stay away. Only buy these once you really know what your doing, allot of them are fakes, or very bad prepped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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