Ludwigia Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, chad_lariviere said: Kane, It is true with all science disciplines. If the people in control don't like it the bury it. If it proves the ones in power wrong they ostracize it. For example the Smithsonian, how much history have they covered up? How many archeologists and paleontologists have they discredited just so they can have their perfect past that they want to portray? Darwin, divinci and so on all pushed aside by people with bigger self ideals than progress. Aw come on....now you're filling the air with conspiracy theories. I think this is really going too far. Why aren't you answing the many questions which have been posed to you above and before your comment which I've quoted here? We are trying to be "scientific and looking at all aspects", as you put it. How about you? 2 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad_lariviere Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 I do appreciate all input and opinions, that is the beautiful thing about science, life, being human. Its all open to interpretation and personal belief. Not everyone that has commented has agreed or said the same opinion, however every opinion matters because with all the different opinions and knowledge comes more knowledge for everybody. I thank all for their input no matter how right or wrong it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Science and belief are not close friends. 1 4 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad_lariviere Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 You are very correct Kane that's where common sense and logic come in. Without belief in what you are doing with anything in life, what's really the point? Doesn't mean you have to have an imaginary friend for life. Just believe in yourself and what you stand for and accomplish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baking Geologist Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 What I can say, without further preparation of the concretion and the fossils on the surface no real conclusions can be drawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad_lariviere Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 (edited) I will submit it as soon as I can find a proper laboratory. Unfortunately Alberta law is very strict. It cannot leave the province, be given away, sold. I am merely a custodian. Any fossil found in Alberta must be reported immediately to the Royal Tyrell Museum and belongs to the province. Not even to be altered without the government permission. So my hands are really tied on that. Any defacing of a fossil in Alberta is a criminal offence. Edited January 10 by chad_lariviere Additional text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMP Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 8 minutes ago, chad_lariviere said: I will submit it as soon as I can find a proper laboratory. Unfortunately Alberta law is very strict. It cannot leave the province, be given away, sold. I am merely a custodian. Any fossil found in Alberta must be reported immediately to the Royal Tyrell Museum and belongs to the province. Not even to be altered without the government permission. So my hands are really tied on that. Any defacing of a fossil in Alberta is a criminal offence. Is that really the law in Canada? That’s crazy if so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, EMP said: Is that really the law in Canada? That’s crazy if so. In Alberta, not the entire country ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMP Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just now, Kane said: In Alberta, not the entire country Ok, that makes a little more sense but still XD Does that mean you technically have to report every little ammonite fragment you might find? Who processes that information I wonder 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Rico Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 5 hours ago, chad_lariviere said: Royal Tyrell Museum has dated the plant and aquatic life on exterior to be 450- 500 million years old however, there is a clear vertebra in the core of the sample. Can someone advise please I really think you must have misunderstood the RTM findings, especially regarding the dating. Edited January 10 by Bobby Rico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 The first thing I saw in the photos here was a half ammonite that looks like a common Cretaceous ammonite found here in Wyoming (could also be Jurassic). Then I looked for a vertebra. All a saw was a surface of calcite crystals like you get very commonly in these sorts of concretions. Then I saw a brachiopod on the surface, and I thought... oh, someone at the Tyrell saw that and thought Paleozoic. A dinosaur specialist docent, or a visitor, or a new student? Not someone trained in general paleo, obviously. And belemnites. OK, now it is more likely Jurassic, and I learned that there are indeed Jurassic concretions in the area that might have fossils like this. ("For example the Smithsonian, how much history have they covered up? ") I'm with ludwigia and many others here... Aw, come on... You came here for answers. I think we gave you some pretty good ones...I dare say better than some unnamed person at the Tyrell could give you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Topic is now locked, as OP and some others are letting this get out of hand. Differing viewpoints can be ignored or addressed, but only in a civil manner. Personal attacks are not condoned here. We do not entertain conspiracy theory here, and suggest the OP take their item to the museum in person to have it looked at. The consensus is that it is not actually a vertebra, and that more prep is needed to determine what it might be. Further conjecture is futile. 1 4 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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