Peace River, 2/11/24

[Shellseeker]

Had a great day hunting Friday and decided to hunt the Peace River before the Super bowl yesterday with my friend Steve. I love grabbing a shovel and sieve and just walk into the River.  Perfect depth, about 2 inches above my waist. 

I had another good day as you check my finds below.  Steve had a great day!  In his 1st sieve, 3 shovel of gravel he found one of those pointy rocks we hear about,  followed by a copper button, and then a Meg. He found a Giant Tortoise hoof core and a Tail Buckler.

I did not get photos of the rest,  but at the end he found a small jaw with 2 teeth I did not recognize.  

Here are my prizes..

A few flecks of Druzy scattered here and there...

 

A miniture Armadillo Osteoderm..  This is the smallest I have ever seen and look at the patina... I love this one...

 

Followed by a real rarity for me.... an Armadillo front tooth...

 

There is a lot of variety.   Here is some of it.

 

I hope that @Harry Pristis can provide an ID on this small premolar.. The size would indicate a small animal. 

To me, there are always surprises in hunting the Peace.

[Tidgy's Dad]

Always nice to see your interesting finds.

And Tidgy likes the tortoise bits.

[Family Fun]

Wonderful report and finds Jack.  I always love to see your reports.

[dries85]

Amazing finds! Could that shark tooth be Physogaleus contortus?

[Shellseeker]

46 minutes ago, dries85 said:

Amazing finds! Could that shark tooth be Physogaleus contortus?

Definitely.  Here is an adult tooth..  I found 2 of these smaller teeth yesterday..  Symphyseal or just a variation on the Adult tooth... @Al Dentewill have an insight.

[Rock Hound]

2 hours ago, dries85 said:

Amazing finds! Could that shark tooth be Physogaleus contortus?

I say yes!!!

[Bronzviking]

Great finds Jack and Beautiful photographs as usual. I love the Mammoth bark. Does it have vertical grooves in the brown side (bottom photo?) I think I have 3 small pieces I will have to post. What is the first 2 photos?

[Shellseeker]

From what I understand,  Mammoth "bark" ivory is only the outer layer of a Mammoth tusk, the darker 1st photo.  In Florida, these seem popular for knife grips. Usually the width of the bark is narrow. I do not detect the Ivory Schreger lines in this piece and will be very interested if others have bark ivory WITH the Ivory Schreger lines. 

 

 

The 1st two photos are one of Steve's finds.  Later down, I posted photos of what I believed to be a Giant Tortoise hoof core..  At the river,  I asked if he had also found a Tortoise hoof core, and he said No,  it is a hoof core from some other animal that he did not recognize.  In looking at them both,  I can not see differences, except his was larger than mine...  I think that both are Tortoise hoof cores.

[Balance]

Very cool day indeed!! I remembered the thing Steve was excited about when I woke up this morning. 😂. 
 

 

mystery tooth kinda resembles front 1/3rd  a p3 from a deer. The example I have in the folder is Harry’s image of an older deer. If yours is too big then “Cervid up” till you get there. 😂

 

Jp
 

[Shellseeker]

3 hours ago, Balance said:

mystery tooth kinda resembles front 1/3rd  a p3 from a deer. The example I have in the folder is Harry’s image of an older deer. If yours is too big then “Cervid up” till you get there. 😂

 

Jp,

I also feel that this is a cervid pre_molar.  The fragment I have is 15 mm. The entire APL of the Deer p3 is 11.3 mm.  So I have to move up...But as I have this example of Hemiauchenia macrocephala jaw (p3_m3), the p3 might be around 11 mm,  but it looks nothing like the deer p3. and the p4 is close to 18 mm. 

I thought to check Palaeolama mirifica which is smaller than Hemiauchenia in case their premolars are different,  but they do match and I can not find any Llama upper premolars that match either.

[Al Dente]

11 hours ago, Shellseeker said:

  I found 2 of these smaller teeth yesterday..  Symphyseal or just a variation on the Adult tooth... @Al Dentewill have an insight.

Are you asking about the Jan. 11 find or the June 9 find? I don’t think either is a symphyseal.

[Balance]

Well, that is interesting. I was team cervid for sure. 

Humm.. Something to ponder while shoeing horses today.????
 

My morning brain starter unfortunately lead me to our old friend Bos. p3. Definitely will need second opinions. It appears wear can alter the visual landmarks quite a bit across a range of different premolar teeth.  


I was initially looking at the low crown height. Which is low. So maybe premolars are lower crowns. Maybe it’s a deciduous tooth? Things to learn from it regardless… 
 

Jp

 

 

[Shellseeker]

5 hours ago, Al Dente said:

Are you asking about the Jan. 11 find or the June 9 find? I don’t think either is a symphyseal.

Thanks for the response.  Just noting the variation between the Jan 11th and Jun 9th teeth and wondering how both can be Contortus. As i think about all the teeth i have found most small teeth are (mostly) just similar to larger teeth.