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A great day with a good friend. At the very end , he found a jaw segment with 2 teeth. I do not know what it is...Only have photos

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I think the Jaw is 33 mm with each tooth about 11-12 mm.

 

I have a number of interesting finds.. and little time to research.

1) A bivalve transformed to Silica

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2) Botryoidal bubbles.  I guess there is a little Druzy there also.  These are just fun to find...IMG_5304ce.thumb.jpg.e91848811b061aad465d29ff7343eac9.jpg

 

 

3) A lower left jaw m3...

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4) A toe bone.. looks similar to Mastodon,  but they can not be this small,  can they? 24 x 20x 19 mm

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5) A carnassial,  maybe a lower m1. Look at the lines in the chewing surface of the 2nd photo.

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6) A very unusual tooth or tusk fragment.  The hollow core might mean whale or Alligator... 

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Thanks for looking.  Any identifications greatly appreciated.  Jack

 

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HSB in number 5?  Huh. I thought only horses , Tapir and Rhino were the HSB teeth for our area. I think you told me that 😂 so I have again found a hole in my edumakayshun. 
 

4 certainly looks phalanx ish… 

 

6 Id expect alligator of that size to have wider spacing in the lines. Looks more like the dolphin teeth enamel. So maybe whale is the right direction?

 

Grabbed a pocket full of boytrodial pieces yesterday too. Maybe for once I know where you were!!? 🤫🤫🤫

 

Jp

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Hi Jack.  I'm not much of a tooth guy, but that is one cool bivalve!

 

RB

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11 hours ago, Brandy Cole said:

Could the toe possibly be holmesina?

Back trying for specific IDs (exact bone from a species),  and you have saved me time.  Thanks... I need all the help I can get..

I am leaning toward a Lateral right manus cuneiform of Holmesina floridanus...but work to do to nail it down.

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10 hours ago, Balance said:

HSB in number 5?  Huh. I thought only horses , Tapir and Rhino were the HSB teeth for our area. I think you told me that 😂 so I have again found a hole in my edumakayshun. 
 

4 certainly looks phalanx ish… 

 

6 Id expect alligator of that size to have wider spacing in the lines. Looks more like the dolphin teeth enamel. So maybe whale is the right direction?

 

Grabbed a pocket full of boytrodial pieces yesterday too. Maybe for once I know where you were!!? 🤫🤫🤫

 

Jp

Jp, I depend on my friends to recall what I once told them as true and remind me when needed.

On #5 ,  would you believe Tapir .sp lower right premolar 2 ?

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On Number 4, see my response to Brandy Cole

 

On Number 6,  I am moving into the Whale Id,   BUT the only Large Sperm Whale teeth we have in the Peace River Formation are Kogiopsis and Scaldicetus.. One time I found a whale tooth that did not look like either of those.... The vertical striations on this tooth tip are confusing...

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 "Grabbed a pocket full of boytrodial pieces yesterday too. Maybe for once I know where you were!!? 🤫🤫🤫"

 

It is possible, but have you really identified ALL the possible Botryoidal Chalcedony locations in the Peace River ?

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1 hour ago, RJB said:

Hi Jack.  I'm not much of a tooth guy, but that is one cool bivalve!

 

RB

I Understand...  and love finding these seashells that have been fossilized in silica.. They are rare in any forms and this is the first that I have both sides of the Bivalve complete!  I recognize the form of this shell and with some effort will be able to identify species.. I did a little jig :megdance:  (which is hard at my age) when this one showed up in the sieve.  

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Considering I have TWO locations on my book  I in fact do think I have the river all figured out. 😊😉🫣

 

Tapir… always missing roots… interesting 

 

Jp

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17 hours ago, Shellseeker said:

3) A lower left jaw m3...

 

After investigation, this tooth seems to be a Modern deciduous calf premolar,  likely a lower left p4.

As it has dried,  some of the darker colors disappear... The APL is 21 mm,  too small for a juvenile 24 month calf m3.  Might have qualified as Antelope m3 if fully fossilized.

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On 2/16/2024 at 9:06 PM, Shellseeker said:

A great day with a good friend. At the very end , he found a jaw segment with 2 teeth. I do not know what it is...Only have photos

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I think the Jaw is 33 mm with each tooth about 11-12 mm.

Identification from Richard Hulbert:

" The jaw piece with 2 molars is from a raccoon. You will have to use the usual tests to determine if it is a fossil or modern.   

The darker bone does not look like a mammal to me. Probably carpal or tarsal from a tortoise.

Richard "

 

I am please to have these photos and Richard's ID.  It will help me to identify Peace River Raccoon molars in the future...

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On 2/16/2024 at 9:06 PM, Shellseeker said:

I have a number of interesting finds.. and little time to research.

1) A bivalve transformed to Silica

Sent an email to Roger Portell,  Collection Director, Division of Invertebrate Paleontology
Florida Museum of Natural History. University of Florida  This one will become a donation to 

the collections at UF.  It is Lirophora,  the family of Venus clams.  I really like having fossils I find become valuable to the scientists.  

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