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me identify these? They have very unusual patterns on them. Thought it would be easy to identify, but I can not seem to find them. Maybe some type of osteoderm? I have included 3 pictures of each. Front back and side. First has unusual ribbed pattern on front and back. The second is a thick chunk (.5”) with wavy pattern on front and smooth on back. IMG_8145.thumb.jpeg.04e92a7331469ecfd206fe7ac8b30ce9.jpegIMG_8146.thumb.jpeg.dd0000c775bf7fbd4edf935ae0001dbb.jpegIMG_8147.thumb.jpeg.236d00f482ff24d1642e729df4ab7828.jpegIMG_8144.thumb.jpeg.e6d5d423e6dce5497a203652a2b45da9.jpegIMG_8143.thumb.jpeg.1b70d562c6314b5deec82c7de5dbb72d.jpegIMG_8142.thumb.jpeg.da89fdc11079f4d1e89567c32a31e8c0.jpegIMG_8148.thumb.jpeg.7cda14a61da69eff1e3b55c0bba52682.jpegIMG_8149.thumb.jpeg.7dd9cf6611fb7ea455539a6e48c88fb6.jpegIMG_8150.thumb.jpeg.5ccc8bff3028858fc3566f0a14a9a6c6.jpeg

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How thick is the first item?  My first thought was a piece of hypural bone, but I can't tell from the picture if it's too thick for that.  

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It is about a quarter of an inch thick at the thickest part. But tapers in thickness. I attached a better picture for reference. I was leaning towards hypural bone also. So glad you said that! Thanks for your help  :)

 

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Ok, that fits hypural bone.  The others look like some sort of osteoderms, but I don't necessarily recognize the patterns.

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The third item looks to me like a fragment from the unfused end of a vertebra.

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My opinion on the third item is a heavily worn holmesina osteoderm based on the shape and compact internal structure. 

 

I think the second item may be an osteoderm from a large freshwater turtle of some kind. The internal compact structure looks consistent with turtle osteoderms.

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I was thinking turtle shell also. But the pattern was really throwing me! Thank you so much for your help! 😊

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For comparison.

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Holmesina Osteoderms in several states of wear.

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Proboscidean vertebra posterior aspect, showing incomplete fusion of growth plate.

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