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the big shark teeth are popular on the forum , but I will you show my tiny ray teeth ; they are interesting

and beautiful . I collect the material with on sieve very small holes ; this species are common in the layer

Rhynchobatus pristinus ,size : 3mm middle Miocene Loupian France

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Dasyatis serralheiroi , size : 3mm

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male and female (Sexual Dental Heterodonty)

more in the future

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Alopias,

Great photography. In the Sharktooth Hill Bonebed (Bakersfield area, CA), I have screened at sites where the matrix breaks up into silt particles in water. I have found Dasyatis teeth as small as 2mm (high or wide) and Rhinobatos (or related guitarfish) down to just under 1mm. Less common are Gymnura and rare are Raja. I have found 2-3 Gymnura but not a Raja yet. However, I have a quantity of concentrate (matrix that has been screened to wash out the silt, leaving mostly teeth and tiny fossil fragments) to sort when I have some time.

What kind of camera do you use?

Jess

the big shark teeth are popular on the forum but I will you show my tiny ray teeth; they are interesting and beautiful. I collect the material with a sieve - very small holes; this species are common in the layer - more in the future

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others ray teeth

Dasyatis serralheroi with nice colors .double Dasyatis probsti (Cappetta, 1970 )

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Tony , many liters to find the material .

Jess , I used common camera apn with zoom and my 35 mm Nikon lens .

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here very very small teeth :pic:

Rhinobatus antunesi : size 1,5 mm Pteroplatea . sp (Gimnura )size 1 mm

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Thanks alopias, I think I like these more than the shark teeth, beautiful!

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Beautiful teeth. Thanks for posting!

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alopias, again amazingly beautiful micro teeth. I have many of theses ray teeth. Is there a good site other than elasmo for identification? I am in the process of trying to catalog my micro's and need some help in identifying some of the ray and fish teeth. I have tried taking pictures of them but my camera just does not do a good job on ones that small.

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Hi,

Alopias, your pics are marvelous (and teeth too !). What is your camera ?

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Beautiful hard to find teeth and the photography is exellent, thanks for sharing--Tom

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Incredible finds and beautiful photos, Alopias! :goodjob:

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thanks all !

sixgil pete ; its no easy to determine precisely ray teeth ; I used the book ( Cappetta ) .

coco , later I show my technique photo OK

here , Mobula loupianensis size 3 mm . Dasyatis cavernosa size 3,5 mm (?) (probst 1877 )

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another rays teeth ,

Dasyatis rugosa size : 3 mm ( probst 1877)

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very small and rare teeh ,

Pristis aquitanicus size : under 1,5 mm (delfortrie 1870 ) :pic:

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Teeny tiny teeth with a big impression...thanks for sharing!

Gotta love those microfossils B)

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For teeth like this, if they aren't covered by elasmo, you really have to hunt technical articles. Look for papers on other faunas, other ages (Cenozoic), and even modern stuff. Most rays will follow the general morphology of, or close to, Dasyatis (stingrays), Mobula (manta relatives), Gymnura (butterfly rays, which tend to be rare where they are found), Rhinobatos (or other guitarfishes), Raja (or other skates). It's not always possible to identify ray teeth to species because even the modern ones have not been well-studied. Within Dasyatis, Mobula, and Raja there is a lot of variation because males and females almost always have different teeth (general rule: males have more pointed cusps; females have more rounded cusps). An ichthyologist has also cautioned me against trying too hard to ID stingray teeth to species because he has seen more variation within individual dentitions than is generally noted in the literature.

alopias, again amazingly beautiful micro teeth. I have many of theses ray teeth. Is there a good site other than elasmo for identification? I am in the process of trying to catalog my micro's and need some help in identifying some of the ray and fish teeth. I have tried taking pictures of them but my camera just does not do a good job on ones that small.

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Siteseer ,I agree, it's hard to indentify ray teeth :zzzzscratchchin:

other rays teeth ?? Dasyatis rugosa : 3,5 mm and Dasyatis serralheiroi nov .sp 3 mm

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Nice macro's alopias.

I have somewhere a pdf about the loupian of france,will post it tomorrow.

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for this specimen , I think this is : Plinthicus stenodon or Manta fragilis ? size : 70 mm

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Very nice little micro teeth! :D

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Alopias,

I think it is fragilis. Plinthicus teeth have numerous fine ridges on the labial and lingual faces which I do not see on your tooth. Cappetta no longer considers fragilis to belong to Manta (different tooth type). He thinks it could be belong to Mobula but isn't sure because modern mobulid teeth remain largely unstudied. Others assign fragilis to Paramobula, a genus which was created specifically for fragilis.

In any case both Plinthicus and fragilis are rare teeth so you have something interesting.

Jess

P.S. I am a little uncertain of a French term. Cappetta used "canelures" in his 1970 description of fragilis. I assume it is like a "sillon" (= groove, in English). I looked at elasmo.com but there is not a lot of discussion on the tooth characters of Plinthicus nor Paramobula.

for this specimen , I think this is : Plinthicus stenodon or Manta fragilis ? size : 70 mm

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Siteseer, I don't have the publication with me right now but I think "cannelures" has something to do with the ornamentation of the tooth. I don't think it's a feeding groove, but rather a shallow striation or wrinkle on the crown surface.

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Jess, please indicate here the title, the year and all the authors of this publications, and I will see if I have it and if I can explain "canelures".

This world could have several means, and I have to read what he wrote to understand what is "canelures".

We maybe already spoke about it in past, because I vaguely remember having tried to understand a description in french without arriving there...

Coco

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Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici
Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici
Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici
Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici
Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici

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