Troodon Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 hour ago, WhodamanHD said: Those ichnofossils always confuse me, but I can say those are some nice eggs! I don't think dinosaur eggs are ichnofossils they have real eggshell around them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 9 hours ago, Troodon said: How is Hong Kong treated in this stiuation since it's China. Are vertebrate fossils illegal from China into Hong Kong You’re correct since we implement one country two systems. It is illegal to ‘export’ fossil from Mainland China to Hong Kong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, Troodon said: I don't thing dinosaur eggs are ichnofossils they have real eggshell around them Sorry meant trace fossils. “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 43 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: Sorry meant trace fossils. Eggs are not "trace" fossils either. They are a living organic, so they are true fossils. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miocene_Mason Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, ynot said: Eggs are not "trace" fossils either. They are a living organic, so they are true fossils. I’d always been told otherwise, but this could be wrong... From university of buffalo: “...the egg itself is the trace fossil, whereas any bodily remains of an embryo constitute a body fossil.” From Wikipedia: “As evidence of the physiological processes of an animal, egg fossils are considered a type of trace fossil.” “...whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.” ~ Charles Darwin Happy hunting, Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: I’d always been told otherwise, but this could be wrong... From university of buffalo: “...the egg itself is the trace fossil, whereas any bodily remains of an embryo constitute a body fossil.” From Wikipedia: “As evidence of the physiological processes of an animal, egg fossils are considered a type of trace fossil.” That is a new one on Me. Never would have thunk it. Seems illogical to Me, but I do not make those choices. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 36 minutes ago, WhodamanHD said: I’d always been told otherwise, but this could be wrong... From university of buffalo: “...the egg itself is the trace fossil, whereas any bodily remains of an embryo constitute a body fossil.” From Wikipedia: “As evidence of the physiological processes of an animal, egg fossils are considered a type of trace fossil.” New one on me trace fossils typically consist of an imprint of fossil or a mark left by an organism. Eggshell is a physical remain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I guess some things can be both. A trace fossil, to me, has always meant the evidence that an organism once lived or moved past this spot, impressions, tracks, burrows, bore holes and that sort of thing. But eggshell would be the trace of whatever laid it as well as the actual physical evidence of the egg itself, as an individual fossil in its own right. So, likewise, a coprolite could be considered a trace fossil as well as being an actual fossil and indeed often containing actual fossils of the depositor's lunch. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I would disagree with the Wikipedia definition of fossil eggs being trace fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Fossilized eggs can also contain embryonic bones so how is that a trace fossil? I just think it's a stretch to think eggs as trace fossils. I think poo is a trace fossil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haravex Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Included is my two pieces of Macrooolithus might help with identification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 13 hours ago, Troodon said: The eggs in last clutch are much too small to be standard hadrosaur type that we see sold but fit dendroolithus or spheroolithus morphology slightly oval and 12 cm. To try to speculate beyond that is a reach since we do not know the specific age or formation they were collected in. I can say it's a very nice clutch that I would love to have them in my collection. Edit: Found this in a paper. Is Ganzhou same as Ginzhou? Nanxiong Fm.: The redbeds of the Nanxiong Basin, Guangdong, may be divided into an upper and lower formations, for the lower section of the Nanxiong Fm. produces such forms as dinosaurs, turtles, and fossil eggs. The upper section's Luofozhai member produces Middle to Late Paleocene Amblypoda. The lower unit contains such elements as Nanhshiungochelys wachingensis, Microhadrosaurus nanshiungensis, Nanshingosaurus brevispinus, Tyrannosauridae indet., Coelurosauria indet., Oolithes elongatus, O. spheroidas, O. rugustus, and O. nanshingensis. Fossil preservation in the Nanxiong Fm. is fragmentary, but undoubtedly the Fm. belongs to the Upper Cretaceous based upon the presence of hadrosaurs and tyrannosaurs. C.C. Young conducted detailed research upon the fossil eggs and believed the egg-producing lithologies at Nanxiong and Ganzhou belonged to the upper Upper Cretaceous. Dong_80.pdf Guizhou is located in the southwestern part of China, it is not Ganzhou where you find the Ganzhousaurus. Recently, a group of Chinese scientists have found massive dinosaur footprints in Maotai, Guizhou. It is believed to be the largest cluster of sauropod footprint fossils ever found in China dating from the early Jurassic period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 How about the following eggs? Are they genuine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Andy- Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 20 hours ago, Haravex said: Included is my two pieces of Macrooolithus might help with identification. Nice Macrolithus. I've heard they are Oviraptorid, or theropod eggs. 1 hour ago, Crazyhen said: How about the following eggs? Are they genuine? I wish the dealer would stop waiting his eggs. They make them harder to identify, if anything. Anyway, these eggs look real to me too. Looking forward to meeting my fellow Singaporean collectors! Do PM me if you are a Singaporean, or an overseas fossil-collector coming here for a holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamptonsDoc Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Real and all very nice. He needs to stop epoxy coats though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 Don't think it has epoxy coating. It looks just like the seller only wet the eggs to highlight the features. And guys, you would surely be amazed to look at this picture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Wow , beautiful an entire nest, now that belongs in a museum. Do museums buy from diggers like they do in this country or just confiscate the specimen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, Troodon said: Wow , a beautiful an entire nest, now that belongs in a museum. Do museums buy from diggers like they do in this country or just confiscate the specimen As far as I understand, public members who found dinosaur eggs are requested to donate their finds to museums. I am not sure if museums would buy from diggers as trading of dinosaur eggs are forbidden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimTexan Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Wow that is an amazing sight to behold! That’s an awesome pic! Is the tire for scale? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 19 hours ago, Crazyhen said: Don't think it has epoxy coating. It looks just like the seller only wet the eggs to highlight the features. And guys, you would surely be amazed to look at this picture! Wow! John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Those are astonishing finds! Surely scientifically significant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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